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Ah, yes another non-scientist telling us what laws mean in science.haha ok. No, although, I hadn't expected to win the day. It's kind of funny to me how often people (not just me) think they 'won the day' when their opponent thinks THEY won!
I speak often in generalities, as doing particulars asks for examples I don't have right off hand. I do wish I knew how to show that the philosophical doesn't always imply metaphysical, or at least, supernatural, in such things. Unfalsifiable things seem hard for some people to think about.
Today I answered one guy who I'm thinking will be surprised to find that laws of physics indeed are governing principles and not simply our descriptions of how things work, no matter how poorly or incompletely we describe or understand them. No doubt from one POV it is just begging the question to say they govern. I suppose that is a useful way to see them, but that fellow goes so far as to say that there is no law of causality. I would be curious how well all cosmologists agree if they were all put together to answer some of the statements I've heard over the last few years —I'm curious how fast the conversation would turn philosophical.
One fellow I've talked with quite a bit says that the law of conservation of energy, being just as pervasive as the law of causality, shows that an eternal universe is just as reasonable as first cause. He seems to think that the words, "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed", of themselves mean that Creation cannot have happened.
I have been worried to death that he might find the super secret Wikipedia article on The Law of Causality. I guess I can relax, That law will remain secret from creationists.There is no law of causality in physics.
Ooookay. Let me put it another way. Is there causality in physics? Does it follow certain rul... er generalities? Am I safe to say there is causality even in quantum physics?There is no law of causality in physics.
Ooookay. Let me put it another way. Is there causality in physics? Does it follow certain rul... er generalities? Am I safe to say there is causality even in quantum physics?
The first Noel did.Who told creationists about The Law of Causality in the first place?
For some reactions yes. For all reactions no. And no, there does not appear to be causality in quantum physics. That is a realm of probabilities.Ooookay. Let me put it another way. Is there causality in physics? Does it follow certain rul... er generalities? Am I safe to say there is causality even in quantum physics?
Noel who? Noel Coward is an actor. He is the only one that I can think of off the top of my head.The first Noel did.
Yet, only one thing ever happens.... probabilities is guessing, no? So, only one thing CAN ever happen. There are laws of logic there, I hope.For some reactions yes. For all reactions no. And no, there does not appear to be causality in quantum physics. That is a realm of probabilities.
Who came first? Noel Coward or his parents?Noel who? Noel Coward is an actor. He is the only one that I can think of off the top of my head.
That cause doesn't always come before effect, is the reason you don't find First Cause arguments particularly compelling?(This is one reason I don't find First Cause arguments particularly compelling.)
No, probabilities is not guessing. You may guess. Probabilities are statistical outcomes. And no, quite often something can happen or something will not happen. A simple example is that of radioactive decay. It can happen at any time. When and if it happens is a matter of statistics.Yet, only one thing ever happens.... probabilities is guessing, no? So, only one thing CAN ever happen. There are laws of logic there, I hope.
Sorry, you said that it was Noel that did it. Not his parents.Who came first? Noel Coward or his parents?
I hope I feel properly put in my place.No, probabilities is not guessing. You may guess. Probabilities are statistical outcomes. And no, quite often something can happen or something will not happen. A simple example is that of radioactive decay. It can happen at any time. When and if it happens is a matter of statistics.
Laws of logic are man made laws. They are tools that we invented to help us to understand the universe that we live in better. I don't think that you are applying those correctly either.
Hint. That's not the first Noel.Sorry, you said that it was Noel that did it. Not his parents.
I had a feeling that was not the case. For some reason I don't think that he first Noel could have done what AV accused him of. AV does have a terrible track record when it comes to such accusations.Hint. That's not the first Noel.
so who was, father, mother, grandfather etc?Hint. That's not the first Noel.
I have no idea. Don't remember ever hearing of the rascal. I knew Alfred, though.so who was, father, mother, grandfather etc?
It would be nice if you did not accuse others of doing what you appear to do. Statistics is not guessing. Guessing would be saying "this event will happen . . . " and then name a specific time frame. That would be guessing. To say that half of a specific element will decay in a specified time frame can be an accurate statistical description of what will happen.I hope I feel properly put in my place.
Ok, I guess....It would be nice if you did not accuse others of doing what you appear to do. Statistics is not guessing. Guessing would be saying "this event will happen . . . " and then name a specific time frame. That would be guessing. To say that half of a specific element will decay in a specified time frame can be an accurate statistical description of what will happen.
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