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The Parable of the Mustang

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The Parable of the Mustang

I have a friend who owns a Ford Mustang. He is very fond of this Mustang and is quite proud of it. He enjoys the Mustang, and likes to display it and show it off to others. During a conversation about the Mustang, he once made the comment that it was a really special horse. I pointed out to him that while the term “mustang” originally referred to a horse, the fact that the car company had taken the name to apply to their car does not make his Mustang a horse.

My friend took great offense at this and accused me of being unreasonable. “It is a Mustang; it is a horse” he said. I pointed out to him that we know exactly what a horse is, and that thing in his driveway is just not a horse. It may be a nice car; he may be very attached to the car; he might be fond of the analogy implied in the name; but the fact remains that his Mustang is simply not a horse.

My friend put a saddle blanket, a saddle and a bridle on top of the Mustang, and said “There, see, it is a horse: it has a saddle on it, has the things you would find on a horse, so it must be a horse. You’re being unreasonable”. I pointed out that having a saddle on it does not make it a horse.

My friend built a barn and put the Mustang in the barn, then came to me and said “See, there is a barn, and what do you find in a barn? A horse. It is a horse, just as I said.” I pointed out that being in a barn does not make a car into a horse.

My friend gathered a couple of other friends together and convinced them that his Mustang was a horse. He then came to me and said “See, I’m not the only one to say that my Mustang is a horse. Others look at it and say it is a horse also. So it is a horse.” I pointed out to him that we know exactly what a horse is, and his car, while he might think it nice, simply is not a horse.

My friend went out and found other people who shared his view that anything called “Mustang” must be a horse. He found a lot of people who shared this view, and proclaimed that since a lot of people believed any Mustang was a horse, then it must be true. I pointed out to him again that consensus had nothing to do with the truth of a statement, and that no matter how many people agreed, his Mustang was still not a horse.

My friend, and his newfound friends, all agreed that I must hate him in particular or even that I must hate all owners of Mustangs. They decided it might even be true that I hated his Mustang, or even that I hated all Mustangs everywhere. It was obvious that I hated because I continued to disagree with him. I tried to point out the logical error in this thinking, to no avail. I became a bigot and an ‘equinophobe’. I pointed out the nominal fallacy in their labeling, but it did no good.

Finally, my friend went to his legislator, along with a lot of his other friends, and convinced the lawmaker to submit legislation requiring that everyone in the state acknowledge and accept that all Mustangs must be officially recognized as horses, and that no person be allowed to make the claim they were not. Any person who owned a Mustang had all the rights and privileges of the owner of any horse, including registration and official recognition of status. If he took his horse to another state, then residents of that state must also recognize his Mustang as a horse, even if they disagreed. “There, that settles it” my friend said, “Now you have to accept that my Mustang is a horse; it’s the law.”

But you know something?
It still is not a horse.
It never was a horse.
It is not a horse now.
And it never will be a horse.
Why? Because a car simply cannot be a horse.
 
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So...everybody who calls themself a Christian is not necessarily actually a Christian.

Well, not that it pertains at all to this material, but I do have a sign that reads "Being in a church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a Chevy. You can go 'Vroom, Vroom' all you want, but you're not fooling anyone."
 
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"Finally, my friend went to his legislator, along with a lot of his other friends, and convinced the lawmaker to submit legislation requiring that everyone in the state acknowledge and accept that all Mustangs must be officially recognized as horses, and that no person be allowed to make the claim they were not. Any person who owned a Mustang had all the rights and privileges of the owner of any horse, including registration and official recognition of status. If he took his horse to another state, then residents of that state must also recognize his Mustang as a horse, even if they disagreed. “There, that settles it” my friend said, “Now you have to accept that my Mustang is a horse; it’s the law.”

But you know something?
It still is not a horse.
It never was a horse.
It is not a horse now.
And it never will be a horse.
Why? Because a car simply cannot be a horse."
 
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"Finally, my friend went to his legislator, along with a lot of his other friends, and convinced the lawmaker to submit legislation requiring that everyone in the state acknowledge and accept that all Mustangs must be officially recognized as horses, and that no person be allowed to make the claim they were not. Any person who owned a Mustang had all the rights and privileges of the owner of any horse, including registration and official recognition of status. If he took his horse to another state, then residents of that state must also recognize his Mustang as a horse, even if they disagreed. “There, that settles it” my friend said, “Now you have to accept that my Mustang is a horse; it’s the law.”

But you know something?
It still is not a horse.
It never was a horse.
It is not a horse now.
And it never will be a horse.
Why? Because a car simply cannot be a horse."

...does posting it twice mean it's more real the second time? :confused:
tulc(hopes the OP enjoys the mustang) :wave:
 
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sorry, but it already is... :thumbsup:

Not LEGALLY.

Marriage is a RELIGIOUS institution, PERIOD. Of which the US Govt, according to their own constitution has NO BUSINESS recognizing.

MOF......matter of FACT........even "legal" rightful, Godly "marriages" should not be recognized by the US GOVT.

This is our only chance at beating them at their own game.

The US Govt can NOT give COMMUNION. They can not BAPTIZE. They can not enforce 'easter' as the celebration of Christ's death and resurrection.

Christianity simply needs to dissolve "MARRIAGE" as a governmental institution and bend to civil unions for legal purposes.

This is HOW WE WIN this war on marriage.:prayer::prayer::prayer::prayer:
 
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Christianity simply needs to dissolve "MARRIAGE" as a governmental institution and bend to civil unions for legal purposes.

This is HOW WE WIN this war on marriage.:prayer::prayer::prayer::prayer:

I think I might agree here.
 
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I think I might agree here.

The US Govt, and States, and Federal Supreme Courts are insisting on "pushing" gay marriage on us, all the while they are distancing themselves from EVERYTHING considered religious.

Well, MARRIAGE as it's been defined is a Religious Institution, one in which the govt, by their own words has no business participating or recognizing for legal purposes.

If we want, we can petition the court to NOT RECOGNIZE MARRIAGE at all, since it is after a HOLY UNION between man and woman.

Take it away from them, and force all unions to be civil ones, where the Holy Institution of Marriage is performed ceremoniously before God, but on paper as a civil union at the county clerks office.

If we want to win, it's our only chance.

At which point, only unholy apostate churches will ceremoniously perform gay marriages, and we can systematically eliminate/de-recognize them from the true BODY OF CHRIST.:sorry:
 
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Not LEGALLY.

Marriage is a RELIGIOUS institution, PERIOD. Of which the US Govt, according to their own constitution has NO BUSINESS recognizing.

MOF......matter of FACT........even "legal" rightful, Godly "marriages" should not be recognized by the US GOVT.

This is our only chance at beating them at their own game.

The US Govt can NOT give COMMUNION. They can not BAPTIZE. They can not enforce 'easter' as the celebration of Christ's death and resurrection.

Christianity simply needs to dissolve "MARRIAGE" as a governmental institution and bend to civil unions for legal purposes.

This is HOW WE WIN this war on marriage.:prayer::prayer::prayer::prayer:

actually marriage existed LONG before either the Bible, the Church or Judaism. It predates Abram or his Father or his fathers father. So the idea that Christians somehow have any right to decide who can or can't get married is a myth. :wave:
tulc(just a thought) :)
 
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actually marriage existed LONG before either the Bible, the Church or Judaism. It predates Abram or his Father or his fathers father. So the idea that Christians somehow have any right to decide who can or can't get married is a myth. :wave:
tulc(just a thought) :)

While I do not agree with his viewpoint on the issue of marriage, yours misses the point as well. The issue is not whether Christians have any "right to decide who can or can't get married". The issue is the definition of marriage, epistemically, traditionally and legally and whether some other form of association fits the definition. "Homosexual Marriage" is an oxymoron.
 
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While I do not agree with his viewpoint on the issue of marriage, yours misses the point as well. The issue is not whether Christians have any "right to decide who can or can't get married". The issue is the definition of marriage, epistemically, traditionally and legally and whether some other form of association fits the definition. "Homosexual Marriage" is an oxymoron.

I agree with the bolded portion. It's simply marriage, not "Homosexual Marriage". :wave:
tulc(thought this thread was about liking a car too much):sorry:
 
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The issue is the definition of marriage, epistemically, traditionally and legally and whether some other form of association fits the definition.

By definition, it does not.
.."What is marriage? Marriage is defined according to the U.S. Supreme Court in Jones v. Hallahan like this: "Marriage was a custom long before the state commenced to issue licenses for that purpose. In all cases, marriage has always been considered as the union of a man and a woman, and we have been presented with no authority to the contrary."
..If you look in Black's Law Dictionary it says this: "Marriage is defined as the civil status, condition or relation of one man and one woman united in law for life for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent upon those whose association is founded on the distinction of sex."
..Webster says this: "Marriage is a state of being married or being united to a person or persons of the opposite sex as husband and wife. Also the mutual relation of husband and wife abstractly, the institution whereby men and women are joined in a special kind of social, legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family."

Calling your Ford Mustang a horse doesn't make it a horse. Why? Because that simply is not what a horse is.
 
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