The Origin of the Nibiru, Planet X Story

JackRT said:

I am no Hebrew linguist but I will attempt to answer this. The Garden of Eden was a place of total innocence where all the animals lived in peace according to the myth. This is important to keep in mind for a moment. In this verse God is cursing the serpent --- see vs14. God informs the serpent that there will be enmity (a feeling or condition of hostility; hatred; ill will; animosity; antagonism) between the serpent and Eve (Eve being the only woman alive at the time). For the first time the innocence of Eden is broken, not just between the serpent and Eve but also between the serpent's offspring and all of humanity subsequently. The myth thereby neatly explains the natural caution we all have concerning snakes.

The next phrase is much more difficult "it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel". We have to ask just who or what "it" is. Grammatically "it" has to be enmity --- an concept rather than a creature. Somehow this enmity will damage the serpent and somehow the serpent will retaliate and damage enmity's heel. It is a difficult and puzzling passage. I do not see how Christ could possibly come into this story unless Christ is the "enmity" which seems extremely strange and very problematic. I can only conclude this is not a prophesy in the usual sense but merely an attempt to explain why humanity has always had a loathing for snakes. The author is far from clear perhaps deliberately so because an element of puzzlement and disconnect is characteristic of mythologies in general.

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Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.


"Christ has therefore, in His work of recapitulation, summed up all things, both waging war against our enemy, and crushing him who had at the beginning led us away captives in Adam, and trampled upon his head, as thou can perceive in Genesis that God said to the serpent, 'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; He shall be on the watch for thy head, and thou on the watch for his heel.' For from that time, He who should be born of a woman, namely from the Virgin, after the likeness of Adam, was preached as keeping watch for the head of the serpent. This is the seed of which the apostle says in the Letter to the Galatians, 'that the law of works was established until the seed should come to whom the promise was made (Galatians 3:19).' This fact is exhibited in a still clearer light in the same Epistle where he thus speaks: 'But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman (Galatians 4:4).' For indeed the enemy would not have been fairly vanquished, unless it had been a man born of a woman who conquered him. For it was by means of a woman that he got the advantage over man at first, setting himself up as man's opponent. And therefore does the Lord profess Himself to be the Son of man, comprising in Himself that original man out of whom the woman was fashioned, in order that, as our species went down to death through a vanqushed man, so we may ascend to life again through a victorious one; and as through a man death received the palm of victory against us, so again by a man we may receive the palm against death."
- St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, 21, 1


I would contextually consider the woman to be Eve rather than Mary, but would otherwise concur with Irenaeus in his recognition of Christ as the prophetic Theme of the verse.

Targaryen said:

"Plain Prophecy" has been peddled for well over 100 years and NOTHING has come about....you want a list just since 1843?

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Need to go back quite a bit more. Paul addresses false prophets in 1st and 2nd Thessalonians. Which by most scholars is the earliest of all NT writings. Paul had to debunk the resurrection already happened.

JackRT said:

Some of us Christians are inordinately fond of boasting of the prophetic accuracy of the Bible. However, in order to have a verified example of prophecy fulfillment, there are certain criteria that must be adhered to:

1) THE PROPHECY MUST BE CLEARLY ISSUED AS A PROPHECY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY DESCRIBE THE EVENT WHICH IT PREDICTS. --- No hints or intimations from the Old Testament claimed to be fulfilled in the New. Example: Psalms allusions.

2) THE PROPHECY MUST BE PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN RECORDED PRIOR TO THE EVENT BEING PREDICTED --- Jesus may have predicted the destruction of Jerusalem, but the Gospels were written after this happened. We cannot produce an authentic first century manuscript of a gospel, let alone any written prior to this event. Example: nothing in Daniel can be shown to have been written before 165 BC.

3) THE PROPHECY FULFILLMENT MAY NOT CONSIST OF ANY EVENT CAPABLE OF BEING STAGED FOR THE PURPOSE OF FULFILLING PROPHECY --- Example: Jesus riding into town on a donkey.

4) THE EVENTS BEING PREDICTED MUST CONSIST OF SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY AN INTELLIGENT GUESS --- Example: Jeremiah predicting that Babylon, clearly an expansionist power, would soon sack Judea. This is mundane punditry, not supernatural prophecy.

5) THE EVENTS MUST HAVE ACTUALLY COME TO PASS --- The fact that the bible says they did is not sufficient in the absence of external confirmation. Example: The flight into Egypt by Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

These criteria are just as equally applicable to prophesy in scriptures other than the Bible and indeed in what might be called prophesy in other contexts.

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Source please. The above has some serious errors and assertions.

redleghunter said:

Need to go back quite a bit more. Paul addresses false prophets in 1st and 2nd Thessalonians. Which by most scholars is the earliest of all NT writings. Paul had to debunk the resurrection already happened.

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2 Thessalonians 2:1-4:

1 As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction.
4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.

Targaryen said:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4:

1 As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction.
4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.

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There are other historical truths in this passage which have been lost in the fog of today's futurism. The temple in v. 4 is a "naos" temple in the Greek, which in every instance where Paul uses the term in his epistles refers to the spiritual temple of the believer, collectively the Church. Thus the lawless one is someone who situated himself spiritually within the Church and usurped spiritual authority therein. The verse has nothing to do with a literal temple in Jerusalem or anywhere else.

jgr said:

There are other historical truths in this passage which have been lost in the fog of today's futurism. The temple in v. 4 is a "naos" temple in the Greek, which in every instance where Paul uses the term in his epistles refers to the spiritual temple of the believer, collectively the Church. Thus the lawless one is someone who situated himself spiritually within the Church and usurped spiritual authority therein. The verse has nothing to do with a literal temple in Jerusalem or anywhere else.

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It's kinda implied in the text, cause he's talking about false prophets...

Targaryen said:

It's kinda implied in the text, cause he's talking about false prophets...

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One wouldn't know it listening to today's propheteers/profiteers...