The origin of sin

[durangodawood]

It's Adam's fault:When Adam sinned, sin entered the universe, and God backed off of His [now cursed] Creation, leaving His Creation to the mercy of raw nature, which is a killer.

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...Satan tricked Adam into sinning. Satan was in the universe for a while. He took the oppurtunity to bring suffering into the world. So he tricked Adam and Eve.

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So how did sin enter the world? Did Satan deceive Adam into sin? Or did Adam knowingly sin? Was sin in the world prior to this event?
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[Apodictic]

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So how did sin enter the world? Did Satan deceive Adam into sin? Or did Adam knowingly sin? Was sin in the world prior to this event?
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If you read the story in Genesis chapter 3 you will notice Satan (The Serpent) deceived Eve and Adam misplaced his trust in Eve:

Genesis 3:12-13
The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

 

[durangodawood]

If you read the story in Genesis chapter 3 you will notice Satan (The Serpent) deceived Eve and Adam misplaced his trust in Eve:

Genesis 3:12-13
The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

I see. So how is it that people say sin originated in Adams disobedience?
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It looks like sin/deception/self-aggrandizement was already in the world, in the person of Satan.
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[AV1611VET]

I see. So how is it that people say sin originated in Adams disobedience?
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It looks like sin/deception/self-aggrandizement was already in the world, in the person of Satan.
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After God created the earth, He gave dominion over His Creation to Adam and Eve, who turned it over to Satan.

Notice Matthew 4, where Satan offered it back to Jesus (with strings attached), Who declined it.

 

[durangodawood]

After God created the earth, He gave dominion over His Creation to Adam and Eve, who turned it over to Satan.

Notice Matthew 4, where Satan offered it back to Jesus (with strings attached), Who declined it.

So sin/evil was already in the world in the person of Satan?
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I cant find that in the text. I see a cunning creature, explicitly: one of the animals, who does the tempting. Nothing at all about Satan. Then, when God pronounces the consequences of disobedience, the snake treated as..... a snake, no more.
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[AV1611VET]

So sin/evil was already in the world in the person of Satan?

Sorta --- it was localized to the dragon-beast (later called a serpent), but wasn't made universal until Adam blew it.

I cant find that in the text. I see a cunning creature, explicitly: one of the animals, who does the tempting. Nothing at all about Satan.

That animal was a dragon-beast, later called the serpent, later identified as Satan:

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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Then, when God pronounces the consequences of disobedience, the snake treated as..... a snake, no more.

This thing was not a "snake" at first; it was some sort of beast of the field with four legs --- identified in Revelation as a dragon.

My take on this is that the dragon was Lucifer's (and/or Eve's) favorite pet, and Lucifer possessed one and used it deceive Eve.

 

[durangodawood]

Sorta --- it was localized to the dragon-beast (later called a serpent), but wasn't made universal until Adam blew it.That animal was a dragon-beast, later called the serpent, later identified as Satan...

I cannot see how the Genesis myth would fail to identify as crucial a figure as Satan. Its too broad an omission. I think "Satan" came later, and is read back on to the Genesis myth by editors of later texts.
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This thing was not a "snake" at first; it was some sort of beast of the field with four legs --- identified in Revelation as a dragon.

My take on this is that the dragon was Lucifer's (and/or Eve's) favorite pet, and Lucifer possessed one and used it deceive Eve.

Yes, legs make sense, as part of the punishment was to slither.
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[ebia]

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So how did sin enter the world? Did Satan deceive Adam into sin? Or did Adam knowingly sin? Was sin in the world prior to this event?
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The story is the story, is the story. There is no better way of answering it than to retell the story. The writer of Genesis 2/3 told his theology that way because (amongst other reasons) trying to tell it as abstrations is less accurate, not more.

The biblical authors are not so much interested in the academic question of "where does evil come from?" as the practical questions "what are its consequences?", "what is our part in it?" and (most importantly) "what is God doing about it?"

 

[durangodawood]

The story is the story, is the story. There is no better way of answering it than to retell the story. The writer of Genesis 2/3 told his theology that way because (amongst other reasons) trying to tell it as abstrations is less accurate, not more.

The biblical authors are not so much interested in the academic question of "where does evil come from?" as the practical questions "what are its consequences?", "what is our part in it?" and (most importantly) "what is God doing about it?"

Indeed. How do I get sinful from Adam/Eves disobedience? Is it genetic? Is it cultural? Is in in my soul prior to the womb?
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I think the Genesis myth attempts to reconcile our animal heritage of necessary and innocent violence and selfishness with the emergence of a distinctly human higher-conscience that recognizes social and spiritual values.
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[ebia]

Indeed. How do I get sinful from Adam/Eves disobedience? Is it genetic? Is it cultural? Is in in my soul prior to the womb?

(though not in those terms) I think the bible would answer "yes" to all of those and more. Unhelpful thinking and behaviour begets more of the same.

I think the Genesis myth attempts to reconcile our animal heritage of necessary and innocent violence and selfishness with the emergence of a distinctly human higher-conscience that recognizes social and spiritual values.
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It's "trying to do" all sorts of things, including that.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

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So how did sin enter the world? Did Satan deceive Adam into sin? Or did Adam knowingly sin? Was sin in the world prior to this event?
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Adam knowingly sinned. Read Romans 5. It tells us exactly how sin entered the world and what God did to save us from it.

 

[durangodawood]

Adam knowingly sinned. Read Romans 5. It tells us exactly how sin entered the world and what God did to save us from it.

From Romans 5 I get that sin entered the world because of "one mans tresspass". But that adds nothing to what I gain from Genesis as to the origin of sin.
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[Hentenza]

So how did sin enter the world?

Through the disobedience of Adam and Eve.

Did Satan deceive Adam into sin?

The serpent deceived Eve which gave Adam the fruit to eat. Both were deceived.

Or did Adam knowingly sin?

Adam knowingly disobeyed God.

Was sin in the world prior to this event?

If you refer to "this world" as in mankind, then no. However, we do know that Satan was a fallen angel created by God before mankind. We don't know exactly when the fall of Satan was but it must have been between a time after the angels were created and the deceit in the garden. If one equals Satan to sin, then sin was present before mankind was created but not at the time of creation since we do know that God called creation good.

 

[durangodawood]

If you refer to "this world" as in mankind, then no. However, we do know that Satan was a fallen angel created by God before mankind. We don't know exactly when the fall of Satan was but it must have been between a time after the angels were created and the deceit in the garden. If one equals Satan to sin, then sin was present before mankind was created but not at the time of creation since we do know that God called creation good.

Where in the Bible do I find the story of Satan's origin?
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[Hentenza]

Where in the Bible do I find the story of Satan's origin?
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Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28.

 

[ebia]

Where in the Bible do I find the story of Satan's origin?
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You won't. It isn't there. It's all from tradition made up by medieval imagination and some very dodgy reading of prophesies addressing pagan Kings in poetic language.

 

[Hentenza]

You won't. It isn't there. It's all from tradition made up by medieval imagination and some very dodgy reading of prophesies addressing pagan Kings in poetic language.

Looks like you have questions of your own. May I suggest that you start a thread in either Christian apologetics or Christian hermeneutics to discuss.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

double post

 

[Emmy]

Dear durangodawood. The origin of Sin must surly be the Evil One, Satan. The Bible only tells us that Jesus saw Satan drop to earth. Satan`s origin is not known. Sin is all things satanic, and Satan is absolutely devoid of Love. God is LOVE, and therefore the arch-enemy of God is Satan, God`s adversary. I say this humbly and with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

The FAll of man is the result of Adam's choice. What we get from the Fall is a fallen nature; an internal war basically between what we know we aught to do (or not do) and a desire to do the opposite. Usually represented as a conflict between body and soul.