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Get used to it...it's the future. And for the record I am a Subdeacon.
I believe God's plan is perfect...therefore I reject that nonsense you consider God's plan.
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What can I say?? I'm utterly dumbfounded that a Christian could even respond in such a manner, especially a Deacon.
Let me ask you a pragmatical question? Why even consider yourself a Christian if you think God's plan is so utterly shortsighted and flawed? How can you sincerely confess your sins due to your imperfect state to a God that is imperfect? What is even the point???
To catolico,
I agree. But with the rules of CF anyone can posts as a Christian regardless of any definitions or boundaries.
And Jesus never...NEVER...affirmed the Old Testament. He quoted from a few select verses...that's it. He could have quoted from other texts as well, but that doesn't put the God Stamp on it.
Get used to it...it's the future. And for the record I am a Subdeacon.
I believe God's plan is perfect...therefore I reject that nonsense you consider God's plan.
Your either purposely trying to mislead people here on this forum or you're ignorant. When Jesus says "it is written" he does so as an affirmation of the scriptures. You can deny this until you are blue in the face but you will only be kidding yourself and maybe a few unfortunate others.
With all due respect I don't have to get used to what you say anymore than you do to me.
It takes a pretty big leap of logic to take a few selectively quoted passages and apply that as a stamp of approval on the entirety of the Old Testament.
Since no normative canon existed at the time of Jesus, saying he approved of the Old Testament (with or without the apocryphal/deutrocanonical books?) as we know it today is a logical fallacy.
Jesus used certain verses in support of his new way as needed. Making blanket statements about his views is an overgeneralization at best.
It is simply untrue that there was no normative Old Testament during the time of Jesus. The preistly prayer was found on a scroll dated 7 centuries before Jesus. The oral tradition and scrolls of the first five books had existed for quite a long time by the era of Jesus. The prophets were also discussed for centriues. Document from just before and just after the time of Jesus have been discovered in Qumram. These documents match what we THOUGHT were accurate EXACTLY, with three letters for one of the scrolls.
Jesus did not reject the Old Testament. He certainly had every opportunity to do so.
It takes a pretty big leap of logic to take a few selectively quoted passages and apply that as a stamp of approval on the entirety of the Old Testament.
Since no normative canon existed at the time of Jesus, saying he approved of the Old Testament (with or without the apocryphal/deutrocanonical books?) as we know it today is a logical fallacy.
Jesus used certain verses in support of his new way as needed. Making blanket statements about his views is an overgeneralization at best.
None of which has anything to do with proving there was a normative canon in use by Jews in Palestine at the time of Jesus.
Before you get your feathers all ruffled, you might want to pay attention to the question.
The question of whether Jesus used the so-called Palestinian Canon or the Alexandrian canon has been discussed and is still under some question.
Regardless, since Jesus only said "It is written" instead of "God said in Isaiah..." the argument is flat and meritless.
Nor did Jesus say he approved of it, in whole or in part. I believe that is the elephant in the room you are ignoring.
It takes a pretty big leap of logic to think that a man born of a virgin women would die on the cross and somehow enable our sins to be forgiven. Harder to imaginge is that he would come back to life.
Such is the life of a true Christian, something I think you are oblivious too.
It's pretty apparent you wish to define your own version of Christianity and for that matter God's greater plan for us. I will not stand in your way, after all He gave us free will. However, I doubt your sincerity in this matter because you apparently constantly wish to diminish the legacy he has given us but rather propose your own divine version to be somehow more "up to date" and therefore superior. This is laughable because as the bible states it, God knew you and me and everyone else before we were born. To suggest then that he couldn't see in the future and that therefore his plan is archaic is without merit.
Another nonsensical response.
When you can separate your emotions from this "discussion" I will be happy to continue. But until you can get over your righteous indignation, and your apparent belief that God needs you to defend him, I see no reason to discuss this with you.
I am asking for facts, and you are giving me some lame emotional non-factual replies.
If my posts are so "nonsensical" would you mind explaining why? Have you already managed to come to a conclusion on which "canon" Jesus used? In your research, what was the definitive evidence that lead you to decide? Was it the Alexandrian or Palestinian canon? Have you told all the scholars out there who missed this bit of evidence you found?
This is what I'm asking. If you don't have a factual reply, don't reply.
None of which has anything to do with proving there was a normative canon in use by Jews in Palestine at the time of Jesus.
Before you get your feathers all ruffled, you might want to pay attention to the question.
The question of whether Jesus used the so-called Palestinian Canon or the Alexandrian canon has been discussed and is still under some question.
Regardless, since Jesus only said "It is written" instead of "God said in Isaiah..." the argument is flat and meritless.
Nor did Jesus say he approved of it, in whole or in part. I believe that is the elephant in the room you are ignoring.
I'd rather be a Jesus loving heretic, than a self righteous, pompous, arrogant, short-sighted orthodox Christian!
Have a nice day.
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