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The Only Army that Shoots its Wounded

From an article in Christianity Today, February 9, 1998

The only army that shoots its wounded is the Christian army,” said the speaker, a psychologist who had just returned from an overseas ministry trip among missionaries. He summed up the philosophy of the group he worked with as:

1. We don’t have emotional problems. If any emotional difficulties appear to arise, simply deny having them.

2. If we fail to achieve this first ideal and can’t ignore a problem, strive to keep it from family members and never breathe a word of it outside the family.

3. If both of the first two steps fail, we still don’t seek professional help.

For years I have heard the old saying, “The Christian army is the only army in the world that shoots its wounded.” Let me say right up front, that’s not accurate. If you really believe that, you’ve never been in a corporate “army” or a political one. The wounded get eliminated there all the time. Why the Church Shoots its Wounded | LifeVesting

"Unfortunately, many Christians have a bad habit of attacking their fellow Christians when they have fallen spiritually. Instead of criticizing those who have fallen, we should try to find a way to help them....How compassionate do you consider yourself? How many times have you prayed for a fallen brother you have openly criticized? It is my opinion, if you have not fervently prayed for the fallen Christian, you should probably keep your criticisms to yourself. Praying for a fallen brother not only provides him the needed spiritual support, it also helps align your attitude with God’s attitude." Biblehelp.org

"Do we tend to the needs of our fallen brothers and sisters? What does our treatment of our fallen brother and sisters tell others about the Christian Army? What legacy are we leaving behind? Sobering questions aren’t they?

The U.S. military has several elite military units, often referred to as the Special Forces. The Army Rangers is one of these units and has a history that goes back to the Revolutionary War. There are three main reasons why these elite fighting groups are so effective in devastating a superior force. First, only the best of the best make it into these units. Second, these units are highly trained. Third, they are trained to work together as a body.

The military has realized that a group of soldiers that work together as a single body is incredibly difficult to stop. This unity makes it possible for these small teams to be able to defeat overwhelming odds. This unity is essential to the success of these units."

The Army Ranger’s creed is, "Never shall I fail my comrades ... I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy." Wow, if the Christian Army would only treat their brothers and sisters the same way. If the Christian Army would follow this creed, the Christian landscape would be quite different.

My son was Army Night Stalker. He gave our country 24 years of service. If it had not been for the camaraderie, the unit unity, he might not have lived nor have not lost a single man in his unit ever while under his command.

Unfortunately, (while I think of more current experiences in my life even this month), when he retired to where he had moved his large family back so they could stay in the great church that helped them through the military service time, the church Christians turned on him because of something someone accused/claimed. One person, one something not proven. They were asked to leave the church!

Like me now, they have no church home. No Christian fellowship (Yeah I know, with friends like that who needs enemies?)

God says we need fellowship not ostracism. Believers need understanding not isolationism.

May I never treat others the way I am treated. My apologies to any believer who thinks I have (God says the gospel WILL Offend the evil one.)



So what do you think?

Just shoot me.

 

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The Army Ranger’s creed is, "Never shall I fail my comrades ... I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy." Wow, if the Christian Army would only treat their brothers and sisters the same way. If the Christian Army would follow this creed, the Christian landscape would be quite different.


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The only army that shoots its wounded is the Christian army,” said the speaker, a psychologist who had just returned from an overseas ministry trip among missionaries. He summed up the philosophy of the group he worked with as:

1. We don’t have emotional problems. If any emotional difficulties appear to arise, simply deny having them.

2. If we fail to achieve this first ideal and can’t ignore a problem, strive to keep it from family members and never breathe a word of it outside the family.

3. If both of the first two steps fail, we still don’t seek professional help.

If we're applying the term "shooting their wounded" to armies equally, then I'll bet those who have served in the military of any country can say they've been spoken to harshly for displaying emotions and basically told to "suck it up". It may not be the same kind of shooting as conventional armies are typically known for, but the emotional abuse exists there too. It's not only Christians who do it.
 
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as posted:

For years I have heard the old saying, “The Christian army is the only army in the world that shoots its wounded.” Let me say right up front, that’s not accurate. If you really believe that, you’ve never been in a corporate “army” or a political one. The wounded get eliminated there all the time. Why the Church Shoots its Wounded | LifeVesting
 
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as posted:

For years I have heard the old saying, “The Christian army is the only army in the world that shoots its wounded.” Let me say right up front, that’s not accurate. If you really believe that, you’ve never been in a corporate “army” or a political one. The wounded get eliminated there all the time. Why the Church Shoots its Wounded | LifeVesting

I've been in several of these "armies", and was shot quite a few times. If I survived, they continued shooting me until I was dead. Then I was resurrected and joined a different army, only to be shot again. I'm currently not in any army at this time, but still check the job listings--I mean "army recruitment ads" to see if my services may be needed once again.
 
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Thanks to all of you for the "deeper fellowship" I am receiving from the thread.

Yes, as a believer (just celebrated my born-again 51st birthday) and 26 official years in church / mission ministry (not counting the army at CF I joined years ago) I too have many wounds/scars --- most from having been shot in the back!

If we are so upset... imagine how God looks at it! Though I doubt that those who need to change/ realize they reload constantly are even reading.
 
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This reminds me of the book by D. L. Carlson.

Why Do Christians Shoot Their Wounded

We're supposed to show compassion and build each other up!

Ephesians 4
29Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Matthew 18
... 32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

The churches are filled with those who have never truly received the Holy Spirit. May God forgive me of my wrongs!
 
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The Only Army that Shoots its Wounded

From an article in Christianity Today, February 9, 1998

The only army that shoots its wounded is the Christian army,” said the speaker, a psychologist who had just returned from an overseas ministry trip among missionaries. He summed up the philosophy of the group he worked with as:

1. We don’t have emotional problems. If any emotional difficulties appear to arise, simply deny having them.

2. If we fail to achieve this first ideal and can’t ignore a problem, strive to keep it from family members and never breathe a word of it outside the family.

3. If both of the first two steps fail, we still don’t seek professional help.



"Unfortunately, many Christians have a bad habit of attacking their fellow Christians when they have fallen spiritually. Instead of criticizing those who have fallen, we should try to find a way to help them....How compassionate do you consider yourself? How many times have you prayed for a fallen brother you have openly criticized? It is my opinion, if you have not fervently prayed for the fallen Christian, you should probably keep your criticisms to yourself. Praying for a fallen brother not only provides him the needed spiritual support, it also helps align your attitude with God’s attitude." Biblehelp.org

"Do we tend to the needs of our fallen brothers and sisters? What does our treatment of our fallen brother and sisters tell others about the Christian Army? What legacy are we leaving behind? Sobering questions aren’t they?

The U.S. military has several elite military units, often referred to as the Special Forces. The Army Rangers is one of these units and has a history that goes back to the Revolutionary War. There are three main reasons why these elite fighting groups are so effective in devastating a superior force. First, only the best of the best make it into these units. Second, these units are highly trained. Third, they are trained to work together as a body.

The military has realized that a group of soldiers that work together as a single body is incredibly difficult to stop. This unity makes it possible for these small teams to be able to defeat overwhelming odds. This unity is essential to the success of these units."

The Army Ranger’s creed is, "Never shall I fail my comrades ... I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy." Wow, if the Christian Army would only treat their brothers and sisters the same way. If the Christian Army would follow this creed, the Christian landscape would be quite different.

My son was Army Night Stalker. He gave our country 24 years of service. If it had not been for the camaraderie, the unit unity, he might not have lived nor have not lost a single man in his unit ever while under his command.

Unfortunately, (while I think of more current experiences in my life even this month), when he retired to where he had moved his large family back so they could stay in the great church that helped them through the military service time, the church Christians turned on him because of something someone accused/claimed. One person, one something not proven. They were asked to leave the church!

Like me now, they have no church home. No Christian fellowship (Yeah I know, with friends like that who needs enemies?)

God says we need fellowship not ostracism. Believers need understanding not isolationism.

May I never treat others the way I am treated. My apologies to any believer who thinks I have (God says the gospel WILL Offend the evil one.)


So what do you think?

Just shoot me.
Dr. Jean, Please share with your recently retired son and his family my heart-felt gratitude for his service and for their steadfast presence along side him for the duration. And likewise for you, a loving military mom, Hooah! God bless our military families one and all.
 
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I personally don't take criticism well. I also misjudge some comments as criticism. And indeed I suffer worse from time to time from PTSd. BUT none of that should make me feel like an inferior person. Generally I do fine. But there are those times that I need real understanding and support---don't you too? It takes a little bit of time and then I'm fine again UNLESS someone compounds the original issue/complaint... and I'm off the wall from brain chemicals... fight? flight? freeze? fix? Unless you're been there, you can NOT understand fully.

(Speaking to the hypothetical reader.)

I still soothe my scars with good Balm ;) I do not hold grudges... and usually forget to a "fault" UNTIL "it" occurs again by the same general person/situation. Does that mean someone in my position should NOT or NO LONGER receive support? Another bullet hole to heal.

Who's doing all this shooting of us?

WE are in a battle here folks! (Theoretical "here"). Let us band together and become true support for each other, don't let the enemy (or those too busy ) to divide us.

AND I do mean we need to do this here at CF. Remember not all the forums are "Christians Only" and many fiery darts are thrown against you and yours in those secular forums. Sometimes, to be truly honest, I have found it easier to read those forums because I expect such rhetoric from the non believers lol.

We need deeper fellowship. There are many ways to support each other (and your support of me here has not gone unnoticed nor unappreciated). We also need to make sure others SEE our support of each other.

  • I'm going to begin following more people and figure out why of those I do already follow I never receive notice of posts etc by them...
  • I'm going to try and make note of those member's birth dates and anniversaries
  • I going to give out more post icons of encouragement and agreement
Well, those are some of my thoughts. Share yours?
 
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The sad part is those closest to us can hurt us the most. Because we value what they say more than others.
That is why we can read insults of us by unbelievers without being affected overmuch.
I am not saying we shouldn't value what others say of us, I am saying we need to put way more value on what God says of us. When we know we have His approval (Shield of Faith) those fiery darts just don't get through.

And there are times when we need to be in that safe place of fellowship with other believers.
I joined CF last November, I have spent most of my time in the debate forums (I know that is not there official name) like General Theology and Christian Scriptures.
Earlier this week, The Daily Thread was started, and I started participating in it. I hadn't even realized I was missing something in my time here at CF until I found it in the Deeper Fellowship forum.
 
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Turn your eyes upon Jesus...look full in His wonderful face and the things of earth will grow strangely dim, in the light of His Glory and Grace!

I've just suffered another shot in the back. The service dog trainer who assured me he works with disabled all the time and is flexible... when he asked me to confirm for tomorrow training I told him I was willing but "trashed" and what would we be working upon (to see if I can physically do it tomorrow) he pushed back and then... pushed for confirmation or cancellation... so I put it off til May after I have the house on the market. He continued to push back and told me how I never commit to anything, how I'm cheap and always looking for free.. HUH? I politely said that I didn't think purchasing a $50 pinch collar (that is too small for the dog to even pinch) was being cheap. ... anyway he suggested I find another trainer when I said we can begin again by meeting at the mall and he said I wasn't ready for the mall. HUH? IDK I've been on 3 month-long van trips with my service dog and he's been wonderful!

Guess I don't need a trainer, just to be more consistent...which...I ca't be because of my disability... oh sigh. Soothing balm...
 
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Dr. Jean, I don't have any experience with service dogs or training. We've mostly maintained mutts. However, I searched for some service dog "training" videos and would be happy to share them with you if that's something you might find helpful. Let me know either way, or if there are specifics of what you "need" I can expand my research. God bless you for being patient with the unkind trainer. Every body needs a little kindness in their lives, because when we're kind, and we treat people kind, we get treated in kind. Amen.
 
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Hi Dr. Jean,

Just wanted to stop by and tell you I'm so sorry for the hurt you and your family have experienced from other Christians.
You are not alone, unfortunately, but I have found there are always genuine follows of Christ to be found. Even on this forum there are very few I would want to hang out with, yet there are those who are golden nuggets of wisdom, patience and support that I have come to value and trust and they keep me grounded and coming back.
Thanks for being real.
 
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So what do you think?
I think it's a shame the condition the church is in. The earliest church was so infused with holiness that when Ananias and Sapphira willfully violated it they were quickly put out to pasture. But that doesn't seem to have lasted long. The epistles show a church already troubled by carnality, strife and division, and in Acts Paul warns the Ephesian elders that savage wolves would infiltrate and not spare the flock.

Every Christian I know is "going through it". They are doing their best to be faithful with what they've been given, trying to keep their heads above water, looking and praying for breakthrough. So I think the best thing to do is forgive and, if necessary, move on. We learn to keep our trust centered in the Lord, and not in man.

Among the seven churches of Revelation, it was the church of Philadelphia - the church of brotherly love - that had "an open door which no man could shut" set before them. When we come to the unity of faith that works through love, we too will have that open door.
 
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Well of course this isn't just about me ;) In the end times the church/church fellowship becomes more and more important...and yet there are those of us who are disenfranchised. Logically I could suggest that no one should want to be a part of such an assembly... but just like with the schools and the isolationism by creating church schools, if we stay out of those congregations and create our own, aren't we allowing the world to see only division and those congregations with watered-down "gospel"?

Anyway.

I'm ostracized because my best obviously isn't good enough---not anywhere any more. No volunteer work, no fellowship and I'm a sad sack indeed. :( I keep my eyes upon Jesus but any glance at my life and it's WHOA! I cannot do "this"!
 
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