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The Only Acceptable Worship

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Yet again, no scripture has been shown that says that psalms are the only songs to be sung, or that any other form of worship is wrong.

As for the verses you did offer:



1 Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu took their censers, put fire in them and added incense; and they offered unauthorized fire before the LORD , contrary to his command. 2 So fire came out from the presence of the LORD and consumed them, and they died before the LORD . Lev 10:1-2



read on to verse 8-9: 8 Then the LORD said to Aaron, 9 "You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the Tent of Meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come.



They were killed because they came before the Lord drunk with wine, which then caused them to perform blasphemous acts. Taking scripture out of context is not the way to prove a point.



32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it. Deut. 12:32



Again, point out in scripture where God has commanded no others songs but the psalms to be sung. Perhaps you are adding to the commandments by saying psalms are the only acceptable worship? And of course there is always:



Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord. Ephesians 5:19



and



Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. Colossians 3:16



Seems to be more than just psalms there.

2 Sam. 6: This is speaking of when Uzzah touched the ark of God and was struck down. Uzzah was in direct violation of God's laws concerning the ark. First, it had nothing at all to do with worship. Second, we're still looking for God's order of worship in scripture, please.



In 1 Sam. Sammuel has instructed Saul to wait 7 days for Sammuel to return before offering the sacrifice. Saul waited 7 days and his men began to "scatter" from him because they were afriad. So Saul offered the sacrifice. Saul's disobediance was a direct result of his lack of faith. I fail to see how offering praise to God through original songs could be confused with the hasty reactions of a faithless leader.

The fact of the matter is, each of these scriptures *fails to point out where God has said only psalms may be used in worship, or that any innovation in worship is wrong.* What these scripture do tell us is that lack of faith, getting drunk before worship, or doing exactly what God has specifically commanded not to do (like touching the ark) is a fast way to get on His bad side. I think we already knew that.

Another interesting point:

34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Matthew 22:34-40


If the greatest commandment is to love God with all that you are, and if praise and worpship songs, drawing or painting during a worship service, etc. come from a love of God and the desire to see Him glorified, there is nothing wrong with it and God is pleased.
 
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I can't help noticing also that "making music in your heart" seems to imply the use of that creativity that supposedly has no place in worship.

And yes, we still await scriptures.
 
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Thanks for your posts guys. I'm still trying to decide whether or not to address the last few, only because of time demands. I hadn't really intended for the thread to be dominated by the 'psalmody' aspect as it was originally focused on the broader "regulative principle" and I'd kind of like to get it steered back there. That's why I provided the Schwertley links on psalmody in the first place, because I find myself just re-stating answers to questions and objection covered in the articles and it's rather tedious.

Maybe I should try a different tack here. I'll ask a question and see what anyone comes up with, but it will have to wait a bit till I can figure out how I want to phrase it. God bless
 
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If you ever want to see radical praise in action, come up to Dallas this next weekend for THE CALL... @ the cotton bowl I think Nov. 29th or 30th
 
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No, I’m afraid I haven’t heard that song
when the music fades
all is stripped away
and i simply come
longing just to bring
something that's of worth
that will bless your heart

i'll bring you more than a song
for a song in itself
is not what you have required
i'll search much deeper within
through the way things appear
you're looking into my heart

i'm coming back to the heart of worship
and it's all about you
it's all about you, jesus
i'm sorry lord for the thing i've made it
when it's all about you
it's all about you, jesus

king of endless worth
no-one could express
how much you deserve
though i'm weak and poor
all i have is yours
every single breath

i'll bring you more than a song
for a song in itself
is not what you have required
i'll search much deeper within
through the way things appear
you're looking into my heart

i'm coming back to the heart of worship
and it's all about you
it's all about you, jesus
i'm sorry lord for the thing i've made it
when it's all about you
it's all about you, jesus
 
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Higg, I understand you were trying to deal with more than just P&W, but...

from your first post in this thread on the Praise and Worship forums is probably why. Perhaps posting this in one of the less specific sections would have kept the conversation more general.

edit: clarity... I hope
 
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Higgaion said:
Maybe I should try a different tack here. I'll ask a question and see what anyone comes up with, but it will have to wait a bit till I can figure out how I want to phrase it.
Respectfully, I'd prefer a tack that involved some scripture to go with your allegations of scriptural disobedience and ignorance.
 
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The main problem that I see with Contemporary worship is that it caters to the "felt needs" of the congregation. It is geared to get an emotional response.

You should ask yourself "Why do I go to Church?" Is it to go and confess that I am a sinner and receive forgiveness for my sins or to placate a deity? If it is the latter stay home on Sunday because God doesn't need or ask for your placation of his existence. If it is the former than you are there for the right reason. Also is it the Worship with God or of God that is true?

Scott
 
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You should ask yourself "Why do I go to Church?" Is it to go and confess that I am a sinner and receive forgiveness for my sins or to placate a deity?
I can confess that I am a sinner and receive forgiveness at home. I go to church to learn from the teaching, to join in worship with fellow christians, to sing praises, hymns, and spritual songs together. Of course I can sing and praise at home too but the word says to come together to worship and praise so ...

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The Bible teaches us that we are to confess our sins before God and who then is going to absolve you of your present sin. Is God himself going to speak out and forgive you? We go to church to receive the Word and Sacraments (Baptism once and Holy Communion thereafter) by which we receive his grace and mercy. The Pastor has a right to speak in the stead or place of God and forgive you your sins upon confessing that you are a sinner.
 
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The problem with so many "seeker sensitive" churches is that they favor style over substance and if you don't have substance you don't really have church. You may be meeting but it really isn't church. Seeker Sensitive is to church what Political correctness is to secularity
 
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