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It's cool, I aint trying to convert. I would just ask that you put the same kind of scrutiny towards science as you do toward religion. Don't just swallow what some group spews just because they were the label of scientist.
On the science debate of this thread, all I am trying to get across is that science is no longer pure...government, especially American government, has its hand and money very involved in it...now, this isn't always a bad thing but to say certain "pressures" are not present to angle science toward certain political goal is foolish.
Just turn some of that skepticism that is pointed at anything that includes God to what is coming out in the scientific community...
which is full of VERY LIBERAL scientists...but what can one expect when our higher education almost solely promotes liberalism.
You just demonstrated my point!Exactly this...everything else your said wasn't worth quoting
Which would include religion.
true...when man gets involved with even religion corruption is soon to follow. That's why we must stick to Scripture. It is the only thing in the entire world that has not been corrupted by shifting moral standards and practices.
It's cool, I aint trying to convert. I would just ask that you put the same kind of scrutiny towards science as you do toward religion. Don't just swallow what some group spews just because they were the label of scientist.
You just demonstrated my point!
I have no pity for you, sir.
I don't.
I would just ask that you put the same kind of scrutiny towards your religious views as you do towards science.
I do not to swallow what some group spews just because they have the label of "religion". They should be as open to scrutiny as anyone else.
That's an interesting statement, coming from a person that already said the following:and they are...I would go as far to say probably more scrutiny than any other subject and so far Scripture backing God and Christianity has held true and stood the test of time.
And this as well:I don't dismiss science, but because of my fundamental religious views (that will never change) I refuse to believe in any worldview hiding under the science label...
And, my personal favorite:Does this make me somewhat backwoods, sure, but I don't have to change or "evolve" my thinking with ever new discovery then back track it when it is proven false.
It is all about God and if God don't fit in it, it aint true.
Originally, I thought you asked for advice, but after you repeated yourself several times and told me, in cryptic but still understandable words, that you do not wish to think for yourself or even adjust to evidence that is presented to you, I discarded this possibility.Pity? Who asked for pity?
Mutual respect? You call it mutual respect to state that you will ignore the other side if their points contradict your worldview?My problem is with the perimeters of debating different views and opinions themselves and how the opposing sides trade mutual respect for calling each other ignorant....
I called you ignorant. You called yourself ignorant. I don't see the difference, except that I didn't sugar-coat it.as you just did.
You talk so much about mutual respect, and now you flat-out tell me my worldview is worthless. In fact, you even told all the other atheists who did treat you with respect that their worldview is worthless.Am I unbending when it come to my faith in the Lord...absolutely and any thought or opinion or worldview that denies the existence of God, THE GOD, is worthless.
You just committed the No True Scotsman Fallacy! Congratulations!No real science contradicts the Word of God.
Why is it that those claiming to be 'skeptical' of science (especially climate science) are never as skeptical about those making the claims that the science is wrong?
Irrelevant to the topic, but do go on - what exactly do you think I haven't questioned?
Are you skeptical of those things which are claimed to be reasons one should not be a disciple of Christ? Or do you accept the opinions and ideas and arguments of anti-Christians without scrutiny?
Pity? Who asked for pity? My problem is with the perimeters of debating different views and opinions themselves and how the opposing sides trade mutual respect for calling each other ignorant....
as you just did.
Am I unbending when it come to my faith in the Lord...absolutely and any thought or opinion or worldview that denies the existence of God, THE GOD, is worthless.
No real science contradicts the Word of God.
and they are...I would go as far to say probably more scrutiny than any other subject and so far Scripture backing God and Christianity has held true and stood the test of time.
We all have days like that dear friend....the more I distrust anything reported about any topic, whether it be politics or human affairs or even science. I mean the only secular topic I trust as fact is pure mathematics.
Is this a common occurrence as we get older or is this a direct result from the amount of pure sewage we are required to swallow every day? I have just about gotten to the point where I watch the news once a week because there is so much hateful nothingness on it.
Anyways, I am glad I am secure in the Lord because those lost souls who are banking on humanity to come up with all the answers and speak the truth are building some big houses on some sandy foundations.
Just having a bad day I guess...
The only truth man knows without God is money...follow the money on any topic and the corruption is revealed.
I must have missed that. I did see something about e-mails discussing a "trick", where, it turned out, "trick" meant an elegant mathematical method.Look at the global warming email scandal a while ago. The scientists were caught faking data in order not to lose research grant money.
The 'hush" was a natural consequence of a complete investigation which revealed no wrongdoing.Even after it was discovered, they still tried to hush it down.
Greenland was not lush when it was named. Not even so "lush" as Iceland. People were discouraged from immigrating into Iceland by its name, so Greenland was named to encourage colonization. The farmland was always marginal, and the economy based mainly on fishing. But a very slight cooling trend wiped out farming entirely, and the dark freezing winters prevented support from Scandanavia.(Hint: Greenland was named for its ice and snow, it used to be lush farm country).
Climate is chaotic. It is exquisitely sensitive to initial conditions. Science adjusts its findings to fit the facts. Where I live it has been an unusually cool summer. Hardly a day has been over 110F. This is because the overall warming trend has increased winds and so we have cooler air off the Pacific tempering the heat. Farther east, it would seem that things are not so good. Overall, and by number of record high temperatures, it has been the hottest summer since we began keeping records.Why do you think they went from global cooling to global warming now to climate change?
Uhh ... No. Almost all climatologists agree that the warming/change is real, and anthropogenic.I distrust science these days because every study comes out to be on the same side of whoever funded it.
So, if my quarterly profits depend on continuing existing practices, all I have to do is corrupt a very few scientists, and the credulous will discredit all the honest scientists.When they can be truly objective again and not corrupted by the research funding donors, then they will be trustworthy again.
Not all! It's just all you notice.All that comes out of money is sin, lies, and evil.
This is more true than anyone realizes. Look at the global warming email scandal a while ago. The scientists were caught faking data in order not to lose research grant money. Even after it was discovered, they still tried to hush it down.
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