The Old Testament compared with Jesus

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

In my studies of the Bible, I've noticed how seemingly at contrast the Old Testament seems to be at odds with the teachings of Jesus. With the exception of the Ten Commandments and a few other things, leaders of Israel regularly fornicated, killed innocent men, women, and children, looted and pillaged, and fathered out of wedlock. Women were also stoned to death in Old Testament times for doing the same things, even less, that many of the male leaders did. Yet, Jesus, on the other hand, stood against killing, fighting back, fornicating, and was against stoning sinners, for we all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God.

Why the huge disconnect between the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus?

 

[HomeBound]

WOW!! No responses?

 

[davidoffinland]

From Finland.

Jesus up held and fulfilled the true teachings of the OT. There is no disconnection whatsoever.

What GeorgiaGuy wrote about of the murders and fonications, etc..shows the depth what man can do to others. It really shows what man has done in the past and still is doing and Scripture does not dismiss it .

What Jesus showed is where it all started from...the inkings, motives and thoughts of the heart and mind where it all starts from.

Matt 5:17ff is a excellant place to start with. Later Jesus says that what comes out of man´s mouth defiles man and not what goes in it.

Something to think about.

Shalom,David.

 

[dcyates]

In my studies of the Bible, I've noticed how seemingly at contrast the Old Testament seems to be at odds with the teachings of Jesus. With the exception of the Ten Commandments and a few other things, leaders of Israel regularly fornicated, killed innocent men, women, and children, looted and pillaged, and fathered out of wedlock. Women were also stoned to death in Old Testament times for doing the same things, even less, that many of the male leaders did. Yet, Jesus, on the other hand, stood against killing, fighting back, fornicating, and was against stoning sinners, for we all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God.

Why the huge disconnect between the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus?

Begging your pardon, but how is there a disconnect? Certainly you're not thinking that the OT actually advocates fornicating, killing the innocent, looting and pillaging, fathering out of wedlock, et cetra.

 

[genifer]

So.... Is it like this? The Old Testament is a 'story', for lack of better word, of how God wants to draw his people to him, and the world thru them (his people, israel). They basically get it wrong, all the time. God finally needs to come down to earth (I understand that this was his plan all along anyway) to tell them just how they have been getting it wrong and show them the right way. I know this is very simplistic but I am struggling with a few things myself at the moment. Is the old test. a kind of 'what not to do' sort of thing? In all honesty, I have been born again for 8 years. I have studied the bible nonstop for that long. I have moments when this sort of thing is so clear to me and times (like now) when I am reminded that I know nothing. I dont mean to go off track, but there is so much more to God than we can ever know.

 

[mannysee]

Where sin abounded, grace did abound much more.

 

[Optimax]

Perhaps the difference is between Law(OT) and Grace(NT). Jesus "ushered"in the age of Grace in which we now live.

 

[dcyates]

Perhaps the difference is between Law(OT) and Grace(NT). Jesus "ushered"in the age of Grace in which we now live.

Sincere apologies, bstow, but this is not only overly simplistic, its highly inaccurate. Only misguided Christians who haven't sufficiently read their OTs characterize it as dealing primarily with Law and salvation by Torah-observance. Salvation is as much by grace in the OT as it is in the NT. The clearest assertions that salvation is by grace are by the apostle Paul in Galatians and Romans, and to prove his point scripturally in both instances he directs our attention back to the OT: to Abraham in Genesis and to Habakkuk 2.4. It's in the OT that we learn that "all our righteous deeds are as filthy rags" to God. When the writer of Hebrews wishes to provide his audience with concrete examples of faith, he lists people entirely from the OT and specifically states, "For by it (faith) the men of old were given approval" (11.2).
Part of the problem, I believe, is the misconstrual of the Hebrew term torah, which, although it most often being understood as 'law' is perfectly legitimate, is really best understood as meaning, 'instruction'. Specifically, torah is 'instruction for living right with YHWH'.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

David was a male harlot, for all intensive purposes, given his multiple wives and concubines. The fact that he kills innocent people out of cold blood does not speak highly of him, as in 2 Samuel 21:. In previous times, the Gibeonites had nearly been killed on the account of King Saul. The Gibeonites came to King David and asked that seven of his descendents be killed. We're talking about innocent people here, and David went along and had them killed.

David also killed innocent children. He then took the "spoils". He stole. The Lord does not advocate the murder of innocent children and stealing. What happened to "thou shalt not kill". The Ten Commandments had been firmly established.

King Solomon was just as bad, taking vengeance on the group who supported the kingship of Adonijah, his very own brother. King Solomon, in his wicked ways, had his brother killed, as well as the others who supported Adonijah's ascendance to the throne over Solomon's. Granted David had revealed that he wanted Solomon to secede him as King, this type of stuff is hardly worthy or murdering people in cold blood, all because you want to seek vengeance. Solomon had Adonijah murdered because Adonijah requested Abishag for a wife. Hardly anything worthy to kill someone over.

How can anyone say that David and Solomon were holy men? They were not. They seem like savages.

I'm using the Bible to highlight the what appears to be the wrongs of David and Solomon.

 

[Splayd]

I love David! He's such a mess but through it all he just keeps coming back to God and pouring out his heart. What's more - despite his obvious shortcomings God still loves him and still uses him. What a beautiful example of God's grace.
If it wasn't for the story of David, I'd probably be dead now. At a time when I felt so low and so dirty before God that I just couldn't bear the thought of living anymore, God showed me through that very story that no matter what I've done or how dirty I've become He can still love me and use me for His kingdom. Isn't that what grace is all about? Isn't that same grace the very reason that Jesus came at all? God doesn't require us to be perfect, he just requires us to need Him. In that respect David was a great role model. He was passionate about His relationship and dependance on God. We can certainly learn from him in that regard. As to the way we conduct ourselves - we've got a HUGE advantage over David. Christ has come to earth and shown us how we are to live and He's sent us the Holy Spirit to work in our lives as well.

 

[speciallilgirl]

I love David! He's such a mess but through it all he just keeps coming back to God and pouring out his heart. What's more - despite his obvious shortcomings God still loves him and still uses him. What a beautiful example of God's grace.
If it wasn't for the story of David, I'd probably be dead now. At a time when I felt so low and so dirty before God that I just couldn't bear the thought of living anymore, God showed me through that very story that no matter what I've done or how dirty I've become He can still love me and use me for His kingdom. Isn't that what grace is all about? Isn't that same grace the very reason that Jesus came at all? God doesn't require us to be perfect, he just requires us to need Him. In that respect David was a great role model. He was passionate about His relationship and dependance on God. We can certainly learn from him in that regard. As to the way we conduct ourselves - we've got a HUGE advantage over David. Christ has come to earth and shown us how we are to live and He's sent us the Holy Spirit to work in our lives as well.

hey

 

[speciallilgirl]

hey