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And round and round we go. All you can do at this point is dodge as best you can, evading key questions that would pin you down.w81minit said:Your stand alone statement was that your interpretation was backed by science and therefore true. You rely on science to prove your faith./?
What? Philosoft. I detect a bit of competitiveness in you. humorus to say the least, but I'm not up for the one upmanship game.Philosoft said:Your ego is showing again. I daresay, you can hardly claim a terribly "careful study of the Bible" if you can't even square it with what is, empirically, gob-smackingly apparent; the methods used by the various sciences are repeatable, reliable, and available to all who would deign to engage them. Ignorance is, ultimately, no excuse in this case.
And yet another dodge. Sopharos, where's that irony meter?w81minit said:I applaud your philanthropy: an Athiest standing up for something he doesn't believe in. How clever a dodge is that?
Actually I am not looking for science to validate refute my interpretation. Where the bible is concerned there is no authority greater (on Earth) than the bible. I compare scripture with scripture. And as for the argument that 6000 years ago we wouldn't have understood it, so that is why it is written like that... I would argue that point all day.aeroz19 said:That's what I am trying to tell him...lol
You somehow think that science is nothing, and all based on stupid ideas that men have. You are incorrect though, science is as much study at what God created as any bible study.w81minit said:Yeah, Silly. Science trumps careful study of the bible.
w81minit said:Actually I am not looking for science to validate refute my interpretation. Where the bible is concerned there is no authority greater (on Earth) than the bible. I compare scripture with scripture. And as for the argument that 6000 years ago we wouldn't have understood it, so that is why it is written like that... I would argue that point all day.
Sopharos said:Blown through the roof, and w81minit owes me $NZ 20 for that. So I brought Lord Vader along to help me:
I dig the pic. Very funny and all. Clearly we are seeing the same things and perceiving them differently. Since it appears to be one against 4 or 5, I find that all I have time for is typing short answers. It can wait.Sopharos said:Blown through the roof, and w81minit owes me $NZ 20 for that. So I brought Lord Vader along to help me:
Which part? There are quite afew chapters leading up to Joseph and the children of Israel going to Egypt to survive a famine.aeroz19 said:Prove that Genesis is not allegory.
What's his address here on Earth so I can look him up. I think he can clear this debate up rather quickly. But then again, I must be dodging.Sopharos said:Yes there is: God. Which one do you believe? God of the Bible or God that created?
If God wants anything it is for us to know him. We wont find him in the fossil record.
The problem here is that you and certain others did not understand my challenges posed on pages 1 and 2. Now, when you can go back and understand them then we will continue our discussion.w81minit said:Don't assume on a work you have little knowledge of. I do not assume I understand science to the degree that TE's or AE's, but I know scripture, because it is the foundation. I would say that would lead me to be in a slightly more advantageous position for understanding his ways. It astounds me that you would prefer those that do not follow it's teachings to be on equal par in its exegesis as those that do. Your claim of what God might have done shouldn't come from some mystical feeling about which there is no basis for comparison. Instead it should come from careful consideration of the text left gleen of his ways. If God wants anything it is for us to know him. We wont find him in the fossil record. I argue it will be in the law, the prophets, and in Jesus teachings, and the word wich he gave us.
-JMHO
This is your third evasion.w81minit said:Which part? There are quite afew chapters leading up to Joseph and the children of Israel going to Egypt to survive a famine.
Prove it isn't allegory. Not just a compelling theory either. Prove it. Show me a note from God.
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Humility, sahib! I, sir, am obviously not the one trumpeting for all those within earshot precisely how my "careful" reading of the Bible inexorably entails a young-earth worldview. Neither am I implicitly impugning the interpretive skills of non-YErs thereby.w81minit said:What? Philosoft. I detect a bit of competitiveness in you. humorus to say the least, but I'm not up for the one upmanship game.
Once your hindsight catches up to your own forethought, you might realize that the hole you're digging is being filled with arrogance.The Juxtaposition of the to dissonant ideas demonstrate a certain lack of forethought. Either way, it was a nice try.
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