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w81minit said:The one has nothing to do with the other.
I was referring to the butched job I did on catching flies with honey.Philosoft said:Bevets has borne false witness in this forum more times than the lot of us can count. Bevets maintains a webpage that is literally an encyclopedic cache of false witness. Bevets has long since used up his goodwill around here.
What do you mean? Did you not read it?
w81minit said:I love science, I love mathematics, I just put God ahead of them both. I do not believe you can scientifically measure God, nor mathematically calculate his presence. He is that He is.
w81minit said:When Moses went to free the Isrealites from Egypt they put their science and wizardry against God. God won. God allowed Pharoh to have his heart hardened to the end that the first born among all of Egypt was slain, that all of his chariots and armies were utterly destroyed. It was their confidence in themselves and what they could see that made them proud. God chose that to demonstrate his power and authority.
w81minit said:If we do not defend our faith, it will face persecution and attempted annihilation.
w81minit said:Look at history - Christians (in the past) made the best garden torches. Hitler killed jew and Christian alike.
w81minit said:Hilter (it was said) was an evolutionist.
w81minit said:I am not comparing evolutionists here to Hitler. I am stating history for context where the debate of realativism is concerned and to support that where sin is called sin, the messenger suffers.
Thank you, Nathan.Nathan Poe said:But not a lie that He tells Himself...
I read them, now it's your turn.
Read this:
Romans 1:20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
And this:
1 Corinthians 14:33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
What does this tell us?
1: God created everything, and we can learn about Him from His creation.
2: God's not out to trick us.
This doesn't fit well with a universe that is young but looks old, now does it?
Are you really so intellectually divorced from the situation that you don't see the way you slander the theistic evolutionist? Do you think it "civil" to implicitly divide Christianity into levels of adherence to God's infallible word?w81minit said:Nathan Poe, I respect, you - that is another story.
I will not tolerate your snipes and arrogance. I am trying to be civil and you seem to desire a war of words. Perhaps you should take your ball and go home. The real dangers in the forum are not that I ridicule your trite arrogance and demonstrate your mental poverty. The real danger is that I ignore you.
One more snipe and consider yourself on the permanent 'waiting for a response list'.
Lets be civil.
Hitler was also a jew. He killed all who sat in opposition. Guess who sat in opposition. True Christians with the moral fortitude to say no.Tachocline said:Whoa, not true, not true, falsehood alert. Hitler was a Christian, he was not a church goer but he never renounced his Catholic faith as far as I know and many speeches he refers to his belief in the Christian God. Heck even the SS regiments had chaplains assigned to them.
Considering your recent posts have required a complete lack of congnitive thought to process, I suppose I am not suprised docoding even simple english has posed a challenge for you.Tachocline said:Am I the only one where this question is making no sense at all?
I can't allow that. Your response is without logic and doesn't even address the problem that was stated. But just in case it did, let me sum it up:w81minit said:But this leads to the problem that we are now seeing things that never existed. This means that God is deceiving us to believe that some stars that never existed did or that the stars we are seeing never actually looked like we see them now (basically, God is showing us a picture show of things that never happened an is still doing it).
You have to remember that we are talking about more than light. The pictures from the Hubble, in your answer, are just God's picture show and it is all false.
When Jesus cause the lame to walk, and the blind to see, did he do it according to scientific rules and principles, or is he the creator of the universe and therefore able to more than we understand. How as it that he fed the five thousnad with 12 remaining baskets on just a loaf and some fishes? I guess since that didn't follow what we believe as scientific principle these are truely just finctional embellishments created by a consiracy to moralize the world! CHtongueEEK
I am not trying to be fecitious. I am pointing out that the master of all creation can do as he pleases without the implication that he is deceiving us. Honestly that whole argument puts me off, because it is us defining God for him. Not very good thology. God doesn't care about science - He walked on water. He calmed the sea with a word. He healed the sick and saved the lost. It is us who are trying imperfectly to see what he has done. I mean - who is chasing who here?
Good thread. I have enjoyed it thusfar.
Hmmm.....suits me.aeroz19 said:
There's no point in going any further. lol
They didn't understand this from the beginning, that is why this debate is still going on.notto said:Showing people visions of an exploding star that never existing would cause me to question this integrity.
Lonnie said:Those QUOTES are NOT QUOTED FROM ME!!!(I will not mention who falsely quoted me though)
Lonnie said:Also, as far as I know, the FIRST person to mention that God decieved people was notto in I think post #19 or #20(arikay on page one said God will/would not decieve/lie).(so quite saying that it was me, it was the post before mine that I responded too)
Lonnie said:Well, why is it not scientific to think that that world was created 6,000+(or how ever many) years ago? With all the fossils in it, ect.
You cant really prove it wrong scientificly(or you refuse too).
bevets said:Evolution is not the same as athesim.
True
Evolution is mythology that has been based on atheistic assumptions
No no no no no no noooooooooooo!!! How many times....
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! lol
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! NO, no, no, no, no!!!The primary assumption is that our Creator is irrelevant when studying creation.
Yes - and this years music award goes to the copy and paste theme song written and performed by Sopharos!Sopharos said:Not an aim of Science anyway. Irrelevant.
AD 2004 calling w81minit. Where are you?
AD 2004 calling w81minit again. Where are you?
snip
Still Irrelevant.
I am sure this was told to those who challenged the Church's view that the Bible indicates geocentrism.w81minit said:God has chosen the simple to confound the wise.
Remember this from scripture:
Mark 4:12
so that 'Seeing they may see and not perceive, And hearing they may hear and not understand; Lest they should turn, And their sins be forgiven them.' "Why are physicist's above mockery? We are so wise in our own eyes as Human beings. We don't stop and consider our ways.
nobody has claimed that God cannot create the universe to look old. he could have created it last thursday. the problem is that if he did, that makes him a deciever.Lonnie said:My God has unlimited power, and people seem to get really confused about the simplest of things(even myself).
interesting, so how do you know you are not the dumb/not smart one for thinking that God means you to interpret Genesis lietally?If you have read scripture, then you may have read a verse that compares us to sheep, and sheep(if you have ever shepard before you would know this) are very dumb/stupid/not smart/ect.
I applaud your philanthropy: an Athiest standing up for something he doesn't believe in. How clever a dodge is that?Philosoft said:Are you really so intellectually divorced from the situation that you don't see the way you slander the theistic evolutionist? Do you think it "civil" to implicitly divide Christianity into levels of adherence to God's infallible word?
Sopharos said:
Then that's ironic then, since Darwin was a Christian at the time of writing OriginsEvolution is not the same as athesim. Evolution is mythology that has been based on atheistic assumptions.
w81minit said:Yes - and this years music award goes to the copy and paste theme song written and performed by Sopharos!
You too can sing along - irrelevant, AD 2004 calling w81minit again. Where are you?
If you can't stomach the song, you can use them in the all new Sopharos 8 Ball.
Does Sopharos' post make any sense? Irrelevant!
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
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