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The No true Scotsman Fallacy

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I never claimed to have been persecuted by Christians nor did I ever defend an Islamic extremist. What I do is defend the religion of Islam against Christian extremists who constantly attack and blame it for the actions of a few. No, the reaction against the Last Temptation was not an isolated incident. Apparently you are too young to remember, I am not. The worst attacks were in France but those were by no means the only ones. One man drove his truck into the lobby of the movie theater. There were other theaters in the US that were subject to arson attacks and one had their movie screen slashed The movie was banned in many countries and here in the South no movie theater dared show it. Even though only one Jew was involved in the production of this movie it gave rise to the most virulent anti-semitic attacks.
 
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Torah trumps New Testament!! Jews Win!!
 
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Torah trumps New Testament!! Jews Win!!
Torah trumps new testament???...Moses greater than Jesus?...Moses was a servant ...Jesus is a son...his testament is greater ....
 
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In the Valleys, the half crown was always referred to as 'half a dollar'

And the dollar.....of course.....trumps everything

The new testament is not a half a dollar...all the promises are recieved by obedience to the new testament...all the crowns. ...
 
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Sorry, I was mixing up you and Red Fox.

But people weren't targeted. I do not understand why there is a disconnect. ISIS is not "a few". The Muslims where are attacking Americans on American soil are not "a few". And they aren't even all extremists! Look at Fort Hood. Look at the Boston Marathon. They, and others, and ISIS target people. ISIS slaughters Christians by the tens of thousands merely because they are Christian. ISIS throws gays off the roofs of buildings just because they are gay. ISIS stones women who commit adultery while casting no stones at the men that they commit adultery with. What Christian extremists have brutally murdered any Muslims? You are dreaming if you think you can compare extremist Muslims with Christians of any sort.
 
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I'm sorry, but if you drive a truck into a theater lobby you are targeting people whether they get hurt or not. And in Paris fourteen people were hurt. There was also tear gas thrown in theaters. Tear gas doesn't target anyone but people. And yes, all the Muslims who have engaged in these attacks were extremists. And as LoveaMuslim points out why do Christians get so little publicity for their own terrorists attacks. Did you hear about this conspiracy to attack and murder all the Muslims in this little village in New York?
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...n-plots-deadly-attack-against-muslims/304937/
And here is the thing, this terrorists was released on bail! Has that happened with any Muslim charged with terrorism?
Domestic terrorism accounts for 74% of the terrorists attack in this country, yet we don't hardly hear about them.
 
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Most of the Muslims in the country that attacked Americans weren't charged with terrorism, they were charged with "workplace violence". It's a double standard.

And no one was killed in the theatre that had the molotov cocktails thrown into it, and nobody died from tear gas, and nobody died from the car being driven into the theatre lobby. So tell me, again, how they are so similar? I guess it goes to show that Christians (if they were all Christians) make horrible terrorists. Sheesh.
 
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You seem to be saying then, that people who do not believe your God exists, really believe your God exists, but they are simply denying this existence.

Is this what you are saying?
That's what scripture says. So, yes.
 
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Wrong.

1. Must be born again.

Anything after that is evidence of 1..
 
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LOL. I thought you were asking me for evidence that the term does not appear until the end of the second century.

I see no point in laughing.

In any case, St. Ignatius never uses the term Trinity.

Non-use of the word doesn't mean non-portrayal of its theology.


See the above; it is why your opinion is wrong.

Tertullian was orthodox before his downfall, and it wasn't due to his Trinitarian theology but due to other things; he was Trinitarian in his orthodox years. Furthermore, Valentinus was heretical due to his Gnosticism. Since actual Trinitarianism declares the material nature of the Incarnation of God the Son, his concept wasn't the same, not to mention that the actual Greek used in the title is natures; in actual Trinitarianism, the three Persons aren't different natures but the same Nature.

Not to mention the fact that it is exceptionally dishonest to say "St. Ignatius never uses the term Trinity" and then bring up Valentinus.

And the first use of the word "Trinity" wasn't by Tertullian. It was by Theophilius, Patriarch of Antioch, who was around earlier.

And we find very Trinitarian writings in St. Ignatius in 110ce in his Letter to the Magnesians and by St. Justin the Martyr a few decades later, in his First Apology. Both of these predate Pheophilius, Tertullian, and, in terms of St. Ignatius, Valentinus (St. Justin the Martyr was very much Valentinus' contemporary; the likely shared the same birth year and the good Saint lived a mere ~5 years longer).
 
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Torah trumps New Testament!! Jews Win!!
In Rabbinic Judaism isn't the Talmud the heart of the religion and the Torah something that cannot be obeyed anyway because there is no temple any more and no animal sacrifices and no priesthood offering sacrifices to YHWH? Isn't the religion more about the traditions of the seventy elders than anything else?
 
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Simple answer is no.
 
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