What say you Hammster. Do we have any free will or did Jesus just say to follow Him but we have no choice?
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What say you Hammster. Do we have any free will or did Jesus just say to follow Him but we have no choice?Okay.
Have you responded to the OP yet?What say you Hammster. Do we have any free will or did Jesus just say to follow Him but we have no choice?
What say you Hammster. Do we have any free will or did Jesus just say to follow Him but we have no choice?
I'm just saying it as you have stated and then asking why Jesus would make such a off statement if what you said is true.You couldn't make this up.
I'm just saying it as you have stated and then asking why Jesus would make such a off statement if what you said is true.
Scripture interprets scripture. It all makes sense togther
There's an actual OP. I'm just saying.I'm just saying it as you have stated and then asking why Jesus would make such a off statement if what you said is true.
Scripture interprets scripture. It all makes sense togther
Here is another link from the OP. Hope I don't get a post later pretending I found none again.If it's all over the links, you should have no problem finding something with which to argue against.
No elephant avoiding here.
You'll have to explain how what is said makes man a robot. Just you saying it doesn't make it so.Here is another link from the OP. Hope I don't get a post later pretending I found none again.
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FIRST HEAD: ARTICLE 9. This election was not founded upon foreseen faith and the obedience of faith, holiness, or any other good quality or disposition in man, as the prerequisite, cause, or condition of which it depended; but men are chosen to faith and to the obedience of faith, holiness, etc. Therefore election is the fountain of every saving good, from which proceed faith, holiness, and the other gifts of salvation, and finally eternal life itself, as its fruits and effects, according to the testimony of the apostle: "For he chose us (not because we were, but) in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight." (Eph 1:4).
FIRST HEAD: ARTICLE 10. The good pleasure of God is the sole cause of this gracious election; which does not consist herein that out of all possible qualities and actions of men God has chosen some as a condition of salvation, but that He was pleased out of the common mass of sinners to adopt some certain persons as a peculiar people to Himself, .."
Historic Church Documents at Reformed.org
This man is but a robot philosophy does not allow for free choice. --Jesus DOES.
One example might be this..Explain how the Bible is for right now? In comparrison to 2,000 years ago.
Lots of it is about the return of Christ for example. Twice as much as is about the first coming. Lots is about the day of the Lord period in the end. So it was not all for folks 2000 years ago. Jesus spoke of other sheep He had that were to come.God doesn't change, so why would the Bible have to be for any time period. Truth is truth. It doesn't change if 1,000 years go by.
We should limit to the author's intent.One example might be this..
Psalm 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.
Or here..
Da 12:4 - But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:
Lots of it is about the return of Christ for example. Twice as much as is about the first coming. Lots is about the day of the Lord period in the end. So it was not all for folks 2000 years ago. Jesus spoke of other sheep He had that were to come.
The bible is very much for today...and it was also for those in the past...and for the future. We cannot limit the meanings to what we think the folks would have thought it meant thousands of years ago.
We cannot limit the meanings to what we think the folks would have thought it meant thousands of years ago.
If man has real choice our choice means we are saved if we chose Jesus. If there is some god that determines that instead, we are like robots.You'll have to explain how what is said makes man a robot. Just you saying it doesn't make it so.
God intended it for us also, He is the Author.We should limit to the author's intent.
That might shed some light on things. But let's not be limited to that. His Spirit makes alive and quickens the word.To see and understand what the Author's intending meaning to the original audience is the wrong way to read the Bible?
Have you been clothed in fig leaves ever?
That might shed some light on things. But let's not be limited to that. His Spirit makes alive and quickens the word.
I read it. I know how you do so I don't write out too much.Have you responded to the OP yet?
God says that His Word is effective for teaching. So how is it limitingThat might shed some light on things. But let's not be limited to that. His Spirit makes alive and quickens the word.
Says who? Maybe knowing Him would help us know His intent? He intends it for mostly those who live after those you speak of. Since we can't really fully know the hearer or their understanding today, why would all the bible be meant for their understanding. It has to be meant for the understanding of who it is for.Yes; however, the central/main meaning is found in the Author's original intent and the original hearer's understanding.
Says who?
If it is for teaching us today, then we should be able to understand it. If it was limited to the customs and comprehension of people from 2000 years ago, then it would have been mainly for teaching them.God says that His Word is effective for teaching. So how is it limiting
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Say that scripture is fiMe 2,000 years ago? God doesn't change.
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