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The night that Changed everything!

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Let me take you back in time to a place in my life where something happened that changed my way of thinking. I was 19 and a member of Rock Band. I was a professional Heavy Metal Drummer. I was in some ways a rock star with some of the trappings. When I walked into a room everything changed. People stopped talking or they changed their conversation because of my presence. Everyone that I came across was interested in me because of what I could do or what I was doing. They stopped what they were doing just by me entering the room. Well as you can imagine something like that can go to any persons head but what if you were 19 and this was happening? Do you think it would go to your head? If I walked down a beach I would not make it far before people would come up to me to talk and interact with me. But then one night everything changed.



I was at a bar with my band-mates like normal after playing. I did something or said something or a combination of the two that changed everything in a moment. The kind of thing you can’t take back. The kind of thing that people don’t forget. The kind of thing that people don’t forgive. And in that moment my band-mates made a collective decision to turn their backs on me. I woke up the next day with no idea of anything. I don’t remember a thing about that night. I have no idea what I said or what I did I only know the seriousness of it based on what they did next.



They would not talk to me.



They turned their backs to me.



I still had to perform with them on a professional level doing the most demanding drum work that can be done. I had to perform on a high level and that's what made everything so surreal. I was still popular to people that didn’t know me but not to the only people that counted. I was thousands of miles from home and no way to talk to my family. What would I say anyways? My only family or friends that I cared about that I could talk to wanted nothing to do with me. It was worse then hate. It was no feeling towards me … I did not exist to them. I didn’t bother to even ask what I had done. That wasn’t the point. Whatever I did could be reflected in their actions. The people I needed day to day for my existence for my identity for my self worth thought I was worthless. Do you want to know what its like to be truly alone? I know what its like. You can be in a crowd of people and be completely alone. Worthless. Garbage. Useless. Nothing. To be isolated. To be discarded. To be alone.



I woke up that day after whatever I had done and my world changed. It was not the same. I could not have planed or even imagined such a thing. Remember where ever I went people changed what they were doing based on me just being there. Everyone wanted to talk to me. Everyone admired and respected me and then ….. isolation. On a dime.



After a few days of this I was suicidal. And I nearly did it. I was at the top of a building thousands of miles from home <Staff Edit. And I felt like the worthless piece of excrement that I must have been to make the people I respected deal with me like they did. There was no point in asking or pleading or talking. I knew instinctively that these people were very intelligent and talented. If they thought this way about me based on what I did … well then whatever I did could not be undone. Something about me began to fade … to slip away. And my band-mates saw it. Everything I took for granted was gone. And so my band-mates after about a week made an unspoken agreement and began to talk to me again slowly. We never talked about what I had done. To this day I have no idea. It would be dissrespectfull to them and to that night to ever find out. Even though I as only 19 I knew that much. We slowly put that behind us because we had to. They needed me and I needed them. We had to keep playing on a professional level and to keep their backs to me was obviously going to lead to something bad. Simply put a human can not operate like that for very long. A human will do something to themselves like jump off a roof.



What is it about humans that need what I needed during that week? I needed respect. I needed companionship. I needed friendship from the only people that mattered in that place and time. The only people that I could connect with. The only people that knew me and had something serious in common. My fellow warriors, my comrades, my band-mates. They knew me. They were going through some of the same things I was going through but they collectively made a decision that I was no longer worth their respect.



What evolutionary aspect would account for that horrific week. What mechanism makes us need respect, love, companionship or just the human warmth of acknowledging that you exist? That week changed my life forever. I looked at everything differently after that. It made me look deep and find something deeper inside. I no longer dealt with people on the shallow level that I had done before that week. Even though I never knew what I had done I did know that my attitude or thought process was all screwed up. My thoughts of others and respect to other's was clearly not right. And so I changed it. I knew one thing I did not want to be alone and isolated like that ever again. I new that I wanted people to at least show me enough warmth to acknowledge that I am alive. To show me enough respect for at least that. That week made me a much better person that was able to go through the process of being 19 and dealing with issues but being able to empathize with my fellow humans.



We need connection.

We need connection to God.

We need connection to each other.

We are not good on our own … not even close.
 
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I didn’t bother to even ask what I had done. That wasn’t the point. Whatever I did could be reflected in their actions.

That would have been the point absolutely for me, and for the reason you mention here:

We need connection.

We need connection to God.

We need connection to each other.

We are not good on our own … not even close.

Asking could have saved you a world of hurt/trouble, not to mention I would have not stopped reading your post when I realized I wasn't going get the reason. :)
 
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It sounds to me like you might have expressed the belief in God. That'll do it every time. Soon after I was saved I expressed my new found belief to some friends while on the drive to a canoeing outing. They almost tossed me out of the car. Needless to say I didn't mention it again, but I lost a good friend because of it.
 
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It sounds to me like you might have expressed the belief in God. That'll do it every time. Soon after I was saved I expressed my new found belief to some friends while on the drive to a canoeing outing. They almost tossed me out of the car. Needless to say I didn't mention it again, but I lost a good friend because of it.
Fortunately for me my friends accept my views but they will challenge and test me from time to time and we have fun debates. Its all friendly but the problem I am seeing in society today is that the Atheist manufacturing centers that we call universities are hardening the new Atheists and so it is becoming difficult to even challenge their programing.
 
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Fortunately for me my friends accept my views but they will challenge and test me from time to time and we have fun debates. Its all friendly but the problem I am seeing in society today is that the Atheist manufacturing centers that we call universities are hardening the new Atheists and so it is becoming difficult to even challenge their programing.

Shortly after I began keeping God's dietary laws a friend that I had known for years invited me and my wife for dinner of... :eek:baked ham. His wife was embarrassed about it but he was amused with anticipation about the prospect of me going against my new belief. I politely took a slice of ham, and then buried it under a big pile of mashed potatoes and satisfied myself with other offerings. I think he got the message, and we are still friends.
 
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We are not good on our own … not even close.

Speak for yourself. I know plenty of good people and they certainly don't need a connection to a magical being for that.
 
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Speak for yourself. I know plenty of good people and they certainly don't need a connection to a magical being for that.

On average?
What do you know on average ... what is your sample size ... is it your wishy washy mostly atheist pretend Christians? hahaha I kknow a lot. I have some to spare if you want a few. Some I don't mind parting with. Just like the connections we make as atheists my "friend" that will connect with me on this forum my atheist "friend" ... how many of your friends wouldn't cast you aside?

Oh sure you have your inner circle. I have mine

But its not the same as the place we are debating on.

We are wolves in their house.
They live by different rules you and I don't and can not appreciate.
They are better.
Your friends will never do anything on the level their friends would.
If you don't get that then you have never seen these people in real. They are different because they operate on something different. I don't get it but it is different.

They will do things you and I would not.

But I am closer to them ... then you are ... and that makes me better.

Yeah I said that.
 
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On average?
What do you know on average ... what is your sample size ... is it your wishy washy mostly atheist pretend Christians? hahaha I kknow a lot. I have some to spare if you want a few. Some I don't mind parting with. Just like the connections we make as atheists my "friend" that will connect with me on this forum my atheist "friend" ... how many of your friends wouldn't cast you aside?

Oh sure you have your inner circle. I have mine

But its not the same as the place we are debating on.

We are wolves in their house.
They live by different rules you and I don't and can not appreciate.
They are better.
Your friends will never do anything on the level their friends would.
If you don't get that then you have never seen these people in real. They are different because they operate on something different. I don't get it but it is different.

They will do things you and I would not.

But I am closer to them ... then you are ... and that makes me better.

Yeah I said that.

I prefer the more liberal christians over the bible thumping ones.

You seriously think these people are "better" than the rest? You seem to ignore the fact that the hardcore fundamentalists want to make abortion illegal, want to prevent gay people from getting married, want to prevent atheists from holding public office and so on.

What makes you think that Christianity is so much better than Atheism?
 
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I prefer the more liberal christians over the bible thumping ones.

You seriously think these people are "better" than the rest? You seem to ignore the fact that the hardcore fundamentalists want to make abortion illegal, want to prevent gay people from getting married, want to prevent atheists from holding public office and so on.

What makes you think that Christianity is so much better than Atheism?

Because they will tolerate someone like me on their message board.

As for you could you please for the love of Buddah get rid of that dude dancing with the stomache thingy please?

Its disturbing.

Seriously there are amish kids somewhere that never needed to see that ... just saying :(
 
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As for you could you please for the love of Buddah get rid of that dude dancing with the stomache thingy please?

Its disturbing.

Seriously there are amish kids somewhere that never needed to see that ... just saying :(

It's a Tide ad. And I won't get rid of it.
 
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Ok fine but its disturbing ... you do know that right? ... Ok just messing with you ... kinda?

You are disturbed by the sight of a famous actor dancing? You should get out more I think...
 
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