The next schism is already here

[Fish and Bread]

Link:

https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/just-catholic/next-schism-already-here

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

"What they say is true because they say it, no matter their lack of credentials or, possibly, sanity."

This part resonated with me.

 

[Davidnic]

There are a large number who balance the two ends though. That is often. Ignored.

 

[Colin]

Link:

https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/just-catholic/next-schism-already-here

The article is too simplistic , and belongs with the garbage .

It does not reflect the world I inhabit .

I see no schism , neither already here , nor just around the corner .

The fact that there are differences within the Church is nothing new .

Having differences doesn't amount to having a schism .

Accepting that there are differences is a sign of maturity .

The writer of the article needs to go away and get a life , rather than indulging in sensationalist tabloid journalism whose sole purpose is the sell crap newspapers .

 

[Davidnic]

I agree with Colin. And this writer does this all the time actually.

Most of the Catholics I know balance Vatican II and a love of the ancientry of the Church.

 

[tadoflamb]

I guess that's why I stay away from the blogosphere. Nothing I've read there has been very edifying, just a lot of moaning and groaning.

I'm reluctant to further isolate a group of Catholics who already feel marginalized by suggesting they're schismatics. True, it's not my flavor of Catholicism, but this is a big tent and there should be enough room for everybody. Personally, I would hope to stay away from such divisive rhetoric.

 

[Davidnic]

And the attack in the article on the young...paraphrasing it...They want a time they never knew and if they were as wise as us they would know better. I really have a problem with that kind of ageist classism. And I see it all the time. I saw it to Bernie's supporters and I see it to young Catholics. So it is not isolated.

Most Catholics I know, like I said, balance a love for the Church in total. They would not even understand how a Catholic could be non-Traditional or how they could be liberal/conservative Catholic.

My playlist for music while I work at home is filled with Latin hymns followed by John Michael Talbot followed by Chant followed by the Marty Haugen I grew up with and then back to Latin.

So much of this often takes the two mass forms and uses them as banners for a cause. Makes the form of the mass an idol to be worshiped over the One it focuses on.

I love the Tridentine rite but the NO is the mass of my youth and my young adulthood and my adulthood. I can not look at who I am and my love for God and ignore that the mass so many vilify has made me who I am and fostered the love I have for God.

And it is the exact same Eucharist my parents got in Tridentine rite.

I understand fully the worries of liturgical abuse and abnormalities...but I also see the beauty of both rites.

But I am who I am, my love of God that compels me in all I do, is from the Novus Ordo. It is the mass of my time approved by the Church and is to be more than tolerated...but to be accepted and loved. I would not trade that love or the Liturgy and Eucharist that nourished it for the world.

Just because we have more than one rite does not mean one is superior...liturgical prejudice is not appropriate.

A valid mass, a valid Eucharist and an Eternal God. I seek no more than that in whatever form the Church gives it to me.

I see the ancient beauty of the Catholic faith and do not seek to make that a relic or vilify it as patriarchal and outdated. I see the beauty of what has been brought up to date while remaining faithful to the original sources and Dogma. And I do not seek to vilify that.

Setting these views against each other and using the mass as a false idol of our own moral systems is wrong. This article is in that vein.

 

[Colin]

Essentially "Traditionalism" vs the "New Religion of Vatican II". And everywhere the Church is shrinking. The Trads are hunkering down trying to preserve the faith; the Libs/modern Church are contracepting themselves into oblivion, at a slow and steady peace. What is needed is genuine evangelism and evangelisation; yes, we need to move beyond a 'bunker mentality' upon the part of many Trads; yet, we also need to set aside the failed experiment of the Conciliar era and its New protestantised-Religion. Both needs to happen; in the mean-time, the Church continues to shrink, until we in the Church get our collective heads on straight again.

"New Religion of Vatican II"......"The Libs/modern Church are contracepting themselves into oblivion"....."New protestantised-Religion"......

 

[RKO]

The article is a bit over the top but"self appointed internet thei-bloggers" was apt and funny. He was also right by saying that wecathplics spread hatred and vitriol in the name of defending the faith. But as far as I can tell, that's not unique to us.