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Well the way that democracy works is that the majority can enact a law, even if there are a minority of persons that are against it.
Not unless they can get it through the Senate where the minority has as much power as the majority.
The people who would be complaining are those that are in the minority.
We are not a democracy. We are a democratic republic.
And in this republic, each state has equal representation in the Senate, no matter how small the state is.
I am not sure why you think I am unaware of the principle of self-preservation. Love toward oneself is a fundamental principle of morality. It is right there at paragraph 2264 of the Catholic Catechism.
Because you suggest the people passing harmful laws allowing crimes to which no citizen would want to be subject.
 
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Shocking perspective to take as a present tense proposition.
The Bible is my governor, not the present times.
Immoral is only what Scripture says it is.

And just because it is Biblically moral does not mean it is desirable and should be required.
It just means it is not immoral.
Don't confuse the two.
 
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Please document the sources for the claims.
Pictures of the well-dressed with their luggage waiting in the line of immigrants, and government employees working at the border.
 
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Assertion without Biblical demonstration is assertion without Biblical merit.
 
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Have a blessed day.
 
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We tried to help one man who we had some previous dealings with. He was obviously mentally troubled. He stood outside our Bible School for a long time staring at the sign. We offered help that time but he refused. He claimed to be a Christian. We came across him again. This time he was homeless. We put together a food pack for him and phoned him to arrange to meet. He was too busy. He rang us back later. I'd given him a Bible as well as other help previously. He said that he could meet us. I asked him how he went reading the Bible. He told us that he did not believe any more. So I said that he was not a Christian in that case. That upset him and he hung up on me.

Perhaps it's an Australia thing, but a surprising (to me) number of obviously desperate people refuse help. Pride is a terrible thing. Some supposedly needy people are just scammers. We prefer to give goods rather than money for that reason. And if society goes cashless, that makes it impossible to help that way anyhow.

Unbelievers are dead in trespass and sin. God obviously does not judge them on earthly behaviour when they do right. But they are eternally separated from God anyway. Giving a few bucks to a homeless person is easy if you have billions.
 
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Catholicism, and some other voices within Christianity, walks its own line. It will seem conservative on the issue of abortion but often liberal on matters of social justice.
 
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You do know the ‘sojourner and strangers in those verses were enslaved by the people of the land they were in. (Egypt).
The verses address how slaves are to be treated.
 
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Let us know what you are doing to keep from being ‘apostate’. How many sojourners have you clothed, or fed or housed. How about your church? Have they provided for any of the millions who illegally came across the border this year?


I am a Christian, so I cannot speak for a religionist, but I can speak as the child of a legal immigrant.
 
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You do know the ‘sojourner and strangers in those verses were enslaved by the people of the land they were in. (Egypt).
The verses address how slaves are to be treated.
You think so?
 
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Most Christians I think are to be led to help their neighbors or strangers on a personal level if possible. It's impossible to discern on a bigger stage seeing how we don't even know if some of these strangers would cause us harm, etc. What are the reasons for going to certain countries, etc.
There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you." (Exodus 12:49 ESV)
We have to have context here. The subject is who can partake in the Passover. This has nothing to do with the laws of governments today.

Exodus 12:48 "And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof."

Exodus 12:49 "One law shall be to him that is home born, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you."


  • You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. (Exodus 22:21 ESV)
  • "You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. (Exodus 23:9 ESV)

I think as Christians in our daily lives this is easy to accomplish. But we have to remember to not split this verse into two parts and only side with the the latter.

Luke 10:27 "And he answering said, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind and thy neighbour as thyself."

When it comes to certain governments there are laws in place that are an abomination to God. So supporting those would not be loving the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength and mind. You would be in complete opposition to God in fact.


We have to realize it's not a perfect world where the laws are concerned and won't be until Christ returns. But Christians have to vote according to how they are led by the Holy Spirit and their conscience. We all have to follow our own journey and how we feel we are being led.

Also, at some point there will be a huge apostasy coming up and that's the one we really need to worry about. But that's not for this thread...
 
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