The New and Improved No-Straw-Man Challenge

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Where do you find that standard in scripture?
John 13:14 I am your Teacher and Lord. I have washed your feet. You should wash each other’s feet also.

Matthew 23:8-11 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and so you do not need anyone to teach you". "But as his anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in HIM"

Ephesians 1:13 says, "In Christ you also were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed".

Do you even read the scripture that people post to you?
 
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I can’t be sure you are using those passages correctly.
I'm just going to ask this... is this post actually suggesting that unless John Calvin assembles the passages for you, you don't know if they are assembled per his stipulations, or at the very least, someone's stipulations that he approved of, or approves of him? I don't ask this rudely, or to be difficult, but it is what I have experienced when discussing scripture with you. If I post Calvin's quotes, you seem to engage the passage, but if I post scripture by itself, it's like it doesn't really matter.

Is John Calvin your essential "Gate Keeper" of truth, in whom alone you trust to assemble scripture for you? I'm not kidding or saying anything secretly. I'm genuinely wondering.
 
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And I still don’t think you know what’s meant by sola scriptura.
 
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And it’s still a Socratic question. It’s still teaching.
 
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I don’t read much of Calvin. Sorry to disappoint.
 
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Why quote Paul?
 
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Why quote Paul?
Scripture, no Commentary, to answer a question about God's very Character, that you asserted and could not back up with only biblical Canon.
(This is your quote Hammster Where do you find that standard in scripture?

John 13:14 I am your Teacher and Lord. I have washed your feet. You should wash each other’s feet also.

Who declares that they will be our teacher?

Matthew 23:8-11 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant.

Who is Jesus saying should be our Teacher?

1 John 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and so you do not need anyone to teach you". "But as his anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in HIM"

Who is the Him, Hammster? What abides in us? Who teaches us?


Ephesians 1:13 says, "In Christ you also were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed".

Who seals us unto our Salvation?

Do you see what these scriptures have in common?

I don’t read much of Calvin. Sorry to disappoint.
Okay… this is something. This is actually something I’ve run into. It’s not “Calvinism” anymore… it’s not “Reformed” anymore… it’s now “Monorgism”…. Why do you suppose that “Calvinism” keeps getting “rebranded”?
 
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And I still don’t think you know what’s meant by sola scriptura.
Hammster, I don't approve of what it means, when it is used by the RCC, Reform.

It is actually a regurgitation, gurgitation, regurgitation of doctrines of men, in scope of Holy Scripture (Canon)
 
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I don’t read much of Calvin. Sorry to disappoint.
Calvinism is used 5 times in this OP that you wrote. John Calvin is the origin of Calvinism. So, not only are you now unable to, by canon only, defend your stance about the Character of God, per OP thread history,(here's the link to the result of all of this proceeding discussion This is the result of Commentary free Trinity Doctrine. Are there more verses I could have included? Yes, but that would have taken days. I hit the target on this..) but now, the very source of the Character of God that you Rebuke/Reproof other Christians with, on thread after thread... is something you haven't studied out, "much"?

I'm not having fun. This is actually very upsetting.

Your replies, in factor of the mean, are predominately flat lined and unresponsive to Scripture. This isn't just here. It's in all of your discussions. This isn't an attack, but a simple matter of fact.

Now, HERE <- Link I start using John Calvin's writings, and you perk right up to the "Defense" of his "Character". Would you agree that John Calvin was a "Hateful" man? He is frequently cited to have debated with hateful force. I have a point and this is forensically supported by your own words in all thread history, on this site.

You don't "read him that much", yet you jumped to quote him and attempt to rebut my use of his writings, against him.

Do you see the overall debate point that this is supporting? One of your first OP's was 800+ Free eBooks Listed Alphabetically by Author | Monergism ... If I look up "Monorgism": "

The word monergism comes from the Greek words mono, which means "one", and erg, which means "work". In theology, monergism is the belief that the Holy Spirit is the only agent in regeneration, and that the human will has no inclination to holiness until regenerated. Monergism is often associated with Lutheranism, the Reformed tradition, and historical doctrinal differences between Calvinism and Arminianism.

About the OP... The very definition of Monergism refutes the OP. Man has no will to turn to Jesus. This is why Calvin says this: In 3.2.11 "Therefore, as God regenerates only the elect with incorruptible seed forever so that the seed of life sown in their hearts may never perish, thus he firmly seals the gift of his adoption in them that it may be steady and sure. But this does not at all hinder that lower working of the Spirit from taking its course even in the reprobate."

But, add Calvin's own words... from the very source that you cited "Institutes"... and we can see that God DOES NOT ALLOW the "REPROBATE" to be saved. Calvin even has the Holy Spirit actively withholding salvational knowledge from the Reprobate.

What higher act of not being Puppets on Strings is there than man reaching desperately towards God for Salvation and God not responding because of His "REPROBATION" of the Reprobates (Selected by Divine Pre-Creation Lottery). They dance and sing, live and die, but GOD doesn't allow them to find Jesus Christ?
 
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Jesus. Not Paul.
Jesus, not Paul.
But Jesus didn’t say it. So can we have a teacher besides Jesus?
Ephesians 1:13 says, "In Christ you also were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed".

Who seals us unto our Salvation?
The Holy Spirit.
Do you see what these scriptures have in common?
They show your inconsistency.
You can call it Calvinism. I don’t care. I was just responding to your rude comment about my need to read Calvin before I believe anything.
 
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Hammster, I don't approve of what it means, when it is used by the RCC, Reform.

It is actually a regurgitation, gurgitation, regurgitation of doctrines of men, in scope of Holy Scripture (Canon)
The RCC doesn’t use it. So know I know that you are unaware of its meaning.
 
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The RCC doesn’t use it. So know I know that you are unaware of its meaning.
When did the RCC stop having the word Reform define the "R"?

Sola scriptura is a Latin phrase that means "Scripture Alone". It is one of the five pillars of the Protestant Reformation, along with sola fide (Faith Alone), sola gratia (Grace Alone), solus Christus (Christ Alone), and Soli Deo Gloria (to the Glory of God Alone). Sola scriptura is the belief that scripture alone is the sole infallible rule of faith for the church.
 
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You should know your history. It’s a common mistake, though.
What part of history defined Calvinism as anything but Calvin's writings? I also have this logic that you are employing in debate identified.
 
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It wasn't a rude comment. There is an entire debate site full of you giving one sentence replies to scripture. I posted quotes from Calvin, and suddenly you were engaged. This wasn't a rude comment, but a factual conclusion. Now, HERE <- Link

The HOLY SPIRIT is our Teacher. Yes! NOT COMMENTARY! HE, Jesus, through HIS HOLY SPIRIT is our Commentary!
 
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You should know your history. It’s a common mistake, though.
RCC not the Roman Catholic Church.. RCC the Reformed Collective Counsel. If you don't use this term, I apologize. I have had many reformed friends that do.
 
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The RCC doesn’t use it. So know I know that you are unaware of its meaning.
I say HRCC for Holy Roman Catholic Church. Communication error. Miscommunication. Take the Debate points in this matter. There's more to be discussed.
 
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John 5:39 is the single most important scripture in all of the Bible. Why? What is it saying?
 
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You should know your history. It’s a common mistake, though.
Are you comfortable with this quote?

“I am persuaded that it is not without the special will of God that, apart from any verdict of the judges, the criminals have endured protracted torment at the hands of the executioner.” - Calvin's letter to Farel on 24 July read Selected Works of John Calvin)

Context
If I write to you so seldom respecting the state of our city, impute the cause to the slowness of those who ought to furnish me with matter for writing, rather than to my indolence. For while the time is spun out by their dilatory progress, I am ashamed to write to you that nothing has as yet been done. How wickedly at their death the two brothers attempted to throw obscurity on the affair, you have no doubt heard in your part of the world. It is well, however, that their malice was evident to every body, unless any one chose to be voluntarily blind. And assuredly I am convinced that not without the judgment of God they suffered, contrary to the sentence of the judges, a long torture under the hand of the executioner. Now, those who are kept in fetters have pretty clearly revealed their misdeeds, though these also grossly mislead their judges. Claude Noth, who you know was the bosom friend of Perrin, has laid bare the criminal and atrocious conspiracy which had not yet been thoroughly known. The younger Berthelier does not deny that he threw the stone by which a man was knocked down. But then both of them attempt to varnish over every thing with the most puerile shuffling. Before two days we shall see, I hope, what the rack will wring from them. Moreover, lest the absence of so many citizens should depopulate the city, as the run-aways kept saying in derision, Vandel has been summoned back by the town crier, together with a numerous band.
 
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I responded because you took a snippet out of context. The disingenuousness of the post needed addressing.
 
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