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Prophesy is one of the most common themes in the Bible. If fact, the Bible itself is a collection of prophetic words. We see nations rise and fall through the power of the prophetic. Individual lives and families forever changed due to it. It is one of the primary ways God has talked to man since the beginning.

Is it any wonder then that the enemy hates it? Tries to discredit it. Twist it. Dismiss it? In what could be considered the very first prophetic prediction, God said he would bruise the head of the enemy.

Due to the power of prophecy, and the enemies hate for it, there is a great deal of confusion on the subject, even its very nature. This is nothing new. We see it throughout the Bible.

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So what is prophecy?

Forthtelling
Prophecy is not foretelling, it is forthtelling. The distinction may seem small, but it is critical. Foretelling is simply predicting what will happen. That happens all the time. The enemy can do it (see 1 Samuel 28). Man can do it without the supernatural using insight and common sense (think predicting recessions and things like that).

When God prophesies it is forthtelling. Meaning He doesn't predict, He brings FORTH things that were not there before (Rom 4:17). The prophetic word doesn’t just pass along information, it carries with it the power to perform. When God speaks, power is released just as He spoke the world into existence. Words AND power side by side. That’s what makes prophesy different than just foretelling.

This is one of the cool elements of prophecy that people often miss. They get hung up on the predictive nature and miss the transformative nature. A prophetic word that does not talk about the future can still be forthtelling. A word of knowledge delivered through prophesy about, say, past hurts, that also speaks words of comfort can bring FORTH emotional healing. For example, “I know you’ve been through X, Y, and Z (unknown to the speaker), take heart, for I am with you”. Just hearing something like that prophesied can bring FORTH tremendous healing.

God’s Heart
This would seem to be obvious, but often it is not. Prophesy will always be an expression of God’s heart towards His people. Meaning, it will always line up with His word and His nature. Revelation 19:10 says, “The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy”. And Jesus was the embodiment of God’s Word and nature.

So what is God’s nature? Love. Which is why Paul said in 1 Cor 13 without love prophecy is a resounding gong, because without love it isn’t truly from Him (Note: You can get an accurate word from the Lord, but not deliver it in love, that word then, though accurate, doesn’t reflect God… I’ll write about this further in a future post). That doesn’t mean the prophetic cannot be strong or even harsh at times, there are plenty of biblical examples of that, in those cases God’s heart is for repentance, which is consistent with His nature. Sometimes God needs to root out, pull down, destroy and throw down some things in our lives to make room to build and plant some better things (Jer 1) that will help us grow into His image. That is His nature.

Forthtelling and God’s heart will always be in line with God’s word, which brings us to...

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But, what if it doesn’t happen?

Probably the most common confusion and argument over prophecy revolves around this question. Often Deut 18:22 is cited:

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

To understand this scripture we have to consider the entire context of prophecy in God’s word, including the forthtelling, and God’s heart aspects. We also have to understand the difference between unconditional prophecy and conditional prophecy.

Unconditional Prophecy
This type of prophecy the far less common type. Unconditional prophecy revolves around God’s plans and purposes for mankind as a whole. It is unbreakable and unchanging. Prophecies revolving around Jesus fall into this category. Nothing any man did was going to change God’s plan and purpose in Jesus. The book of Revelation would be considered unconditional prophecy that has yet to happen (in most people’s view at least).

Conditional Prophecy
This type of prophecy is far more common in the Bible and it is what we see today. Conditional prophecy revolves around individuals, families, nations… This is where the forthtelling and heart aspects of prophecy becomes so important. When God prophesies to men/women/groups His HEART is to bring FORTH something good in their lives, but we have the free will to accept or reject it. We have a part to play. If we reject it or dismiss it. It may not come to pass, but it doesn’t mean it wasn’t God’s will.

So, what about Deut 18:22 then? First the word for prophet here can mean true prophet or false prophet, so in this context it is clearly talking about one who is a false prophet. The verses right before make it clear that the type of person the scripture is talking about is NOT speaking from God’s HEART. Secondly, notice that verse 22 says, “if the thing follow not, nor come to pass”. There are TWO elements going on here. We can reject the word if an unconditional prophecydoes not come to pass” OR we can reject a conditional prophecy if it “does not follow

Does not follow
Does not follow what? Doesn’t not follow God’s heart or forthtelling and by extension His word. Additionally in NT context, if it doesn’t not testify to Jesus in some way. So, “does not follow” means that the intent/direction of the word must follow God’s nature/plan/purpose. That way even if the word is rejected by the recipient, it still follows. For example, let’s say an individual gets a word that tells them to turn away from drugs and adultery and turn back to God, and they reject that word and continue their destructive lifestyle. That word still “follows” God’s nature. What God wanted to bring FORTH in their life lines up with His word and heart.

Explicit OR Implicit
Again, to understand the nature of prophecy we have to look it all of it, not a single verse. Fortunately, the Bible is full of examples. One key to remember is that a conditional prophecy does not have to explicitly state the conditions to be conditional. It only has to carry with it the power to bring FORTH GOD’S HEART. In, Jonah 3, Jonah prophesied that Ninievah would be destroyed in 40 days. There was no condition explicitly stated. Ninievah was not destroyed which completely lines up God’s heart (repentance) and brought FORTH something good. In Micah 3:12, Micah prophesied that “Zion will be plowed like a field”, no explicit conditions, but the invasion fell short (Jer 26:18). And there are actually considerably more examples.

----------------------------------------------

This may seem like a lot. Remember, the devil hates prophecy and wants to discredit it. What I've outlined here does not just look at one scripture, but takes into account the entirety of scripture... it's consistent.

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. As long as we live in a fallen world, as long as we have struggles, as long as we haven’t reached the fullness of His plan and purpose for our lives, God’s HEART will continue to be to bring FORTH direction, hope, healing, or whatever else is needed in our lives. Prophecy is only one way He does it, but it is a powerful, powerful way - when we understand it and are open to it.

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Please note you are in the Spiritual Gifts forum, please make yourself aware of the Statement of Purpose for this forum before responding.

This material comes from over 12 years of personal ministry experience backed by mentors with over 100+ years of combined experience in prophetic ministry.

The goal of this thread teach and guide not to debate the scriptural merit of what is presented, please keep responds limited to that context.

I will post further threads involving other aspects of prophetic ministry in the future.
 
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Prophesy is one of the most common themes in the Bible. If fact, the Bible itself is a collection of prophetic words. We see nations rise and fall through the power of the prophetic. Individual lives and families forever changed due to it. It is one of the primary ways God has talked to man since the beginning.

Is it any wonder then that the enemy hates it? Tries to discredit it. Twist it. Dismiss it? In what could be considered the very first prophetic prediction, God said he would bruise the head of the enemy.

Due to the power of prophecy, and the enemies hate for it, there is a great deal of confusion on the subject, even its very nature. This is nothing new. We see it throughout the Bible.

----------------------------------------------
So what is prophecy?

Forthtelling
Prophecy is not foretelling, it is forthtelling. The distinction may seem small, but it is critical. Foretelling is simply predicting what will happen. That happens all the time. The enemy can do it (see 1 Samuel 28). Man can do it without the supernatural using insight and common sense (think predicting recessions and things like that).

When God prophesies it is forthtelling. Meaning He doesn't predict, He brings FORTH things that were not there before (Rom 4:17). The prophetic word doesn’t just pass along information, it carries with it the power to perform. When God speaks, power is released just as He spoke the world into existence. Words AND power side by side. That’s what makes prophesy different than just foretelling.

This is one of the cool elements of prophecy that people often miss. They get hung up on the predictive nature and miss the transformative nature. A prophetic word that does not talk about the future can still be forthtelling. A word of knowledge delivered through prophesy about, say, past hurts, that also speaks words of comfort can bring FORTH emotional healing. For example, “I know you’ve been through X, Y, and Z (unknown to the speaker), take heart, for I am with you”. Just hearing something like that prophesied can bring FORTH tremendous healing.

God’s Heart
This would seem to be obvious, but often it is not. Prophesy will always be an expression of God’s heart towards His people. Meaning, it will always line up with His word and His nature. Revelation 19:10 says, “The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy”. And Jesus was the embodiment of God’s Word and nature.

So what is God’s nature? Love. Which is why Paul said in 1 Cor 13 without love prophecy is a resounding gong, because without love it isn’t truly from Him (Note: You can get an accurate word from the Lord, but not deliver it in love, that word then, though accurate, doesn’t reflect God… I’ll write about this further in a future post). That doesn’t mean the prophetic cannot be strong or even harsh at times, there are plenty of biblical examples of that, in those cases God’s heart is for repentance, which is consistent with His nature. Sometimes God needs to root out, pull down, destroy and throw down some things in our lives to make room to build and plant some better things (Jer 1) that will help us grow into His image. That is His nature.

Forthtelling and God’s heart will always be in line with God’s word, which brings us to...

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But, what if it doesn’t happen?

Probably the most common confusion and argument over prophecy revolves around this question. Often Deut 18:22 is cited:

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

To understand this scripture we have to consider the entire context of prophecy in God’s word, including the forthtelling, and God’s heart aspects. We also have to understand the difference between unconditional prophecy and conditional prophecy.

Unconditional Prophecy
This type of prophecy the far less common type. Unconditional prophecy revolves around God’s plans and purposes for mankind as a whole. It is unbreakable and unchanging. Prophecies revolving around Jesus fall into this category. Nothing any man did was going to change God’s plan and purpose in Jesus. The book of Revelation would be considered unconditional prophecy that has yet to happen (in most people’s view at least).

Conditional Prophecy
This type of prophecy is far more common in the Bible and it is what we see today. Conditional prophecy revolves around individuals, families, nations… This is where the forthtelling and heart aspects of prophecy becomes so important. When God prophesies to men/women/groups His HEART is to bring FORTH something good in their lives, but we have the free will to accept or reject it. We have a part to play. If we reject it or dismiss it. It may not come to pass, but it doesn’t mean it wasn’t God’s will.

So, what about Deut 18:22 then? First the word for prophet here can mean true prophet or false prophet, so in this context it is clearly talking about one who is a false prophet. The verses right before make it clear that the type of person the scripture is talking about is NOT speaking from God’s HEART. Secondly, notice that verse 22 says, “if the thing follow not, nor come to pass”. There are TWO elements going on here. We can reject the word if an unconditional prophecydoes not come to pass” OR we can reject a conditional prophecy if it “does not follow

Does not follow
Does not follow what? Doesn’t not follow God’s heart or forthtelling and by extension His word. Additionally in NT context, if it doesn’t not testify to Jesus in some way. So, “does not follow” means that the intent/direction of the word must follow God’s nature/plan/purpose. That way even if the word is rejected by the recipient, it still follows. For example, let’s say an individual gets a word that tells them to turn away from drugs and adultery and turn back to God, and they reject that word and continue their destructive lifestyle. That word still “follows” God’s nature. What God wanted to bring FORTH in their life lines up with His word and heart.

Explicit OR Implicit
Again, to understand the nature of prophecy we have to look it all of it, not a single verse. Fortunately, the Bible is full of examples. One key to remember is that a conditional prophecy does not have to explicitly state the conditions to be conditional. It only has to carry with it the power to bring FORTH GOD’S HEART. In, Jonah 3, Jonah prophesied that Ninievah would be destroyed in 40 days. There was no condition explicitly stated. Ninievah was not destroyed which completely lines up God’s heart (repentance) and brought FORTH something good. In Micah 3:12, Micah prophesied that “Zion will be plowed like a field”, no explicit conditions, but the invasion fell short (Jer 26:18). And there are actually considerably more examples.

----------------------------------------------

This may seem like a lot. Remember, the devil hates prophecy and wants to discredit it. What I've outlined here does not just look at one scripture, but takes into account the entirety of scripture... it's consistent.

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. As long as we live in a fallen world, as long as we have struggles, as long as we haven’t reached the fullness of His plan and purpose for our lives, God’s HEART will continue to be to bring FORTH direction, hope, healing, or whatever else is needed in our lives. Prophecy is only one way He does it, but it is a powerful, powerful way - when we understand it and are open to it.

----------------------------------------------

Please note you are in the Spiritual Gifts forum, please make yourself aware of the Statement of Purpose for this forum before responding.

This material comes from over 12 years of personal ministry experience backed by mentors with over 100+ years of combined experience in prophetic ministry.

The goal of this thread teach and guide not to debate the scriptural merit of what is presented, please keep responds limited to that context.

I will post further threads involving other aspects of prophetic ministry in the future.

Biblical prophesy does three things. Verifies that He is ... in fact God (knowing the beginning to the end) with 100% accuracy ... and through that also gives us warning and knowledge of what to expect. Builds our faith in Him.

2nd Peter 1

19We also have the word of the prophets as confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever brought forth by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Prophesy is one of the most common themes in the Bible. If fact, the Bible itself is a collection of prophetic words. We see nations rise and fall through the power of the prophetic. Individual lives and families forever changed due to it. It is one of the primary ways God has talked to man since the beginning.

Is it any wonder then that the enemy hates it? Tries to discredit it. Twist it. Dismiss it? In what could be considered the very first prophetic prediction, God said he would bruise the head of the enemy.

Due to the power of prophecy, and the enemies hate for it, there is a great deal of confusion on the subject, even its very nature. This is nothing new. We see it throughout the Bible.

----------------------------------------------
So what is prophecy?

Forthtelling
Prophecy is not foretelling, it is forthtelling. The distinction may seem small, but it is critical. Foretelling is simply predicting what will happen. That happens all the time. The enemy can do it (see 1 Samuel 28). Man can do it without the supernatural using insight and common sense (think predicting recessions and things like that).

When God prophesies it is forthtelling. Meaning He doesn't predict, He brings FORTH things that were not there before (Rom 4:17). The prophetic word doesn’t just pass along information, it carries with it the power to perform. When God speaks, power is released just as He spoke the world into existence. Words AND power side by side. That’s what makes prophesy different than just foretelling.

This is one of the cool elements of prophecy that people often miss. They get hung up on the predictive nature and miss the transformative nature. A prophetic word that does not talk about the future can still be forthtelling. A word of knowledge delivered through prophesy about, say, past hurts, that also speaks words of comfort can bring FORTH emotional healing. For example, “I know you’ve been through X, Y, and Z (unknown to the speaker), take heart, for I am with you”. Just hearing something like that prophesied can bring FORTH tremendous healing.

God’s Heart
This would seem to be obvious, but often it is not. Prophesy will always be an expression of God’s heart towards His people. Meaning, it will always line up with His word and His nature. Revelation 19:10 says, “The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy”. And Jesus was the embodiment of God’s Word and nature.

So what is God’s nature? Love. Which is why Paul said in 1 Cor 13 without love prophecy is a resounding gong, because without love it isn’t truly from Him (Note: You can get an accurate word from the Lord, but not deliver it in love, that word then, though accurate, doesn’t reflect God… I’ll write about this further in a future post). That doesn’t mean the prophetic cannot be strong or even harsh at times, there are plenty of biblical examples of that, in those cases God’s heart is for repentance, which is consistent with His nature. Sometimes God needs to root out, pull down, destroy and throw down some things in our lives to make room to build and plant some better things (Jer 1) that will help us grow into His image. That is His nature.

Forthtelling and God’s heart will always be in line with God’s word, which brings us to...

----------------------------------------------
But, what if it doesn’t happen?

Probably the most common confusion and argument over prophecy revolves around this question. Often Deut 18:22 is cited:

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

To understand this scripture we have to consider the entire context of prophecy in God’s word, including the forthtelling, and God’s heart aspects. We also have to understand the difference between unconditional prophecy and conditional prophecy.

Unconditional Prophecy
This type of prophecy the far less common type. Unconditional prophecy revolves around God’s plans and purposes for mankind as a whole. It is unbreakable and unchanging. Prophecies revolving around Jesus fall into this category. Nothing any man did was going to change God’s plan and purpose in Jesus. The book of Revelation would be considered unconditional prophecy that has yet to happen (in most people’s view at least).

Conditional Prophecy
This type of prophecy is far more common in the Bible and it is what we see today. Conditional prophecy revolves around individuals, families, nations… This is where the forthtelling and heart aspects of prophecy becomes so important. When God prophesies to men/women/groups His HEART is to bring FORTH something good in their lives, but we have the free will to accept or reject it. We have a part to play. If we reject it or dismiss it. It may not come to pass, but it doesn’t mean it wasn’t God’s will.

So, what about Deut 18:22 then? First the word for prophet here can mean true prophet or false prophet, so in this context it is clearly talking about one who is a false prophet. The verses right before make it clear that the type of person the scripture is talking about is NOT speaking from God’s HEART. Secondly, notice that verse 22 says, “if the thing follow not, nor come to pass”. There are TWO elements going on here. We can reject the word if an unconditional prophecydoes not come to pass” OR we can reject a conditional prophecy if it “does not follow

Does not follow
Does not follow what? Doesn’t not follow God’s heart or forthtelling and by extension His word. Additionally in NT context, if it doesn’t not testify to Jesus in some way. So, “does not follow” means that the intent/direction of the word must follow God’s nature/plan/purpose. That way even if the word is rejected by the recipient, it still follows. For example, let’s say an individual gets a word that tells them to turn away from drugs and adultery and turn back to God, and they reject that word and continue their destructive lifestyle. That word still “follows” God’s nature. What God wanted to bring FORTH in their life lines up with His word and heart.

Explicit OR Implicit
Again, to understand the nature of prophecy we have to look it all of it, not a single verse. Fortunately, the Bible is full of examples. One key to remember is that a conditional prophecy does not have to explicitly state the conditions to be conditional. It only has to carry with it the power to bring FORTH GOD’S HEART. In, Jonah 3, Jonah prophesied that Ninievah would be destroyed in 40 days. There was no condition explicitly stated. Ninievah was not destroyed which completely lines up God’s heart (repentance) and brought FORTH something good. In Micah 3:12, Micah prophesied that “Zion will be plowed like a field”, no explicit conditions, but the invasion fell short (Jer 26:18). And there are actually considerably more examples.

----------------------------------------------

This may seem like a lot. Remember, the devil hates prophecy and wants to discredit it. What I've outlined here does not just look at one scripture, but takes into account the entirety of scripture... it's consistent.

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. As long as we live in a fallen world, as long as we have struggles, as long as we haven’t reached the fullness of His plan and purpose for our lives, God’s HEART will continue to be to bring FORTH direction, hope, healing, or whatever else is needed in our lives. Prophecy is only one way He does it, but it is a powerful, powerful way - when we understand it and are open to it.

----------------------------------------------

Please note you are in the Spiritual Gifts forum, please make yourself aware of the Statement of Purpose for this forum before responding.

This material comes from over 12 years of personal ministry experience backed by mentors with over 100+ years of combined experience in prophetic ministry.

The goal of this thread teach and guide not to debate the scriptural merit of what is presented, please keep responds limited to that context.

I will post further threads involving other aspects of prophetic ministry in the future.


But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. (I Corinthians 14:3)
New Testament prophecy is designed for three purposes.
1) Edification. The building up of the people of God. By faithful exegesis of the Word of God the saints are built up and strengthened in their holy faith.
2) Exhortation. Incite or encourage. To stir up or to encourage a fellow believer who is struggling under a burden or with discouragement. To be a Barnabas to him. To urge and help him / her to keep pressing on. This brings with it enablement.
3) Comfort. In the midst of troubles and trials this word from the Lord brings comfort and consolation until the trial is over. This may feel long but it's not forever. Weeping may endure for a night but joy comes in the morning. God will bring you through.

We are exhorted to covet this gift.
1 Corinthians 14v1-4. Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification, encouragement, and comfort. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.

This is a most valued gift for the blessing of the Church. Each of us are exhorted to covet (earnestly desire) this gift for the blessing of others and the glory of God. Where there is this genuine gift the Church will be healthy, happy and growing.
 
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But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. (I Corinthians 14:3)
New Testament prophecy is designed for three purposes.
1) Edification. The building up of the people of God. By faithful exegesis of the Word of God the saints are built up and strengthened in their holy faith.
2) Exhortation. Incite or encourage. To stir up or to encourage a fellow believer who is struggling under a burden or with discouragement. To be a Barnabas to him. To urge and help him / her to keep pressing on. This brings with it enablement.
3) Comfort. In the midst of troubles and trials this word from the Lord brings comfort and consolation until the trial is over. This may feel long but it's not forever. Weeping may endure for a night but joy comes in the morning. God will bring you through.

We are exhorted to covet this gift.
1 Corinthians 14v1-4. Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification, encouragement, and comfort. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.

This is a most valued gift for the blessing of the Church. Each of us are exhorted to covet (earnestly desire) this gift for the blessing of others and the glory of God. Where there is this genuine gift the Church will be healthy, happy and growing.
I'll get to that in a future post
 
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How can this discussion not yet have mentioned - Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
 
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How can this discussion not yet have mentioned - Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
That would be for a future post. Can't cover it all at once. :)
 
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This is the real reason for prophecy, the "nature" of prophecy is to testify of JESUS. Throughout all scripture and to this day THE HOLY SPIRIT was given to testify of HIM.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
 
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This is the real reason for prophecy, the "nature" of prophecy is to testify of JESUS. Throughout all scripture and to this day THE HOLY SPIRIT was given to testify of HIM.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
I include that in the purpose of prophecy.
 
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Prophesy is one of the most common themes in the Bible. If fact, the Bible itself is a collection of prophetic words. We see nations rise and fall through the power of the prophetic. Individual lives and families forever changed due to it. It is one of the primary ways God has talked to man since the beginning.

Is it any wonder then that the enemy hates it? Tries to discredit it. Twist it. Dismiss it? In what could be considered the very first prophetic prediction, God said he would bruise the head of the enemy.

Due to the power of prophecy, and the enemies hate for it, there is a great deal of confusion on the subject, even its very nature. This is nothing new. We see it throughout the Bible.

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So what is prophecy?

Forthtelling
Prophecy is not foretelling, it is forthtelling. The distinction may seem small, but it is critical. Foretelling is simply predicting what will happen. That happens all the time. The enemy can do it (see 1 Samuel 28). Man can do it without the supernatural using insight and common sense (think predicting recessions and things like that).

When God prophesies it is forthtelling. Meaning He doesn't predict, He brings FORTH things that were not there before (Rom 4:17). The prophetic word doesn’t just pass along information, it carries with it the power to perform. When God speaks, power is released just as He spoke the world into existence. Words AND power side by side. That’s what makes prophesy different than just foretelling.

This is one of the cool elements of prophecy that people often miss. They get hung up on the predictive nature and miss the transformative nature. A prophetic word that does not talk about the future can still be forthtelling. A word of knowledge delivered through prophesy about, say, past hurts, that also speaks words of comfort can bring FORTH emotional healing. For example, “I know you’ve been through X, Y, and Z (unknown to the speaker), take heart, for I am with you”. Just hearing something like that prophesied can bring FORTH tremendous healing.

God’s Heart
This would seem to be obvious, but often it is not. Prophesy will always be an expression of God’s heart towards His people. Meaning, it will always line up with His word and His nature. Revelation 19:10 says, “The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy”. And Jesus was the embodiment of God’s Word and nature.

So what is God’s nature? Love. Which is why Paul said in 1 Cor 13 without love prophecy is a resounding gong, because without love it isn’t truly from Him (Note: You can get an accurate word from the Lord, but not deliver it in love, that word then, though accurate, doesn’t reflect God… I’ll write about this further in a future post). That doesn’t mean the prophetic cannot be strong or even harsh at times, there are plenty of biblical examples of that, in those cases God’s heart is for repentance, which is consistent with His nature. Sometimes God needs to root out, pull down, destroy and throw down some things in our lives to make room to build and plant some better things (Jer 1) that will help us grow into His image. That is His nature.

Forthtelling and God’s heart will always be in line with God’s word, which brings us to...

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But, what if it doesn’t happen?

Probably the most common confusion and argument over prophecy revolves around this question. Often Deut 18:22 is cited:

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

To understand this scripture we have to consider the entire context of prophecy in God’s word, including the forthtelling, and God’s heart aspects. We also have to understand the difference between unconditional prophecy and conditional prophecy.

Unconditional Prophecy
This type of prophecy the far less common type. Unconditional prophecy revolves around God’s plans and purposes for mankind as a whole. It is unbreakable and unchanging. Prophecies revolving around Jesus fall into this category. Nothing any man did was going to change God’s plan and purpose in Jesus. The book of Revelation would be considered unconditional prophecy that has yet to happen (in most people’s view at least).

Conditional Prophecy
This type of prophecy is far more common in the Bible and it is what we see today. Conditional prophecy revolves around individuals, families, nations… This is where the forthtelling and heart aspects of prophecy becomes so important. When God prophesies to men/women/groups His HEART is to bring FORTH something good in their lives, but we have the free will to accept or reject it. We have a part to play. If we reject it or dismiss it. It may not come to pass, but it doesn’t mean it wasn’t God’s will.

So, what about Deut 18:22 then? First the word for prophet here can mean true prophet or false prophet, so in this context it is clearly talking about one who is a false prophet. The verses right before make it clear that the type of person the scripture is talking about is NOT speaking from God’s HEART. Secondly, notice that verse 22 says, “if the thing follow not, nor come to pass”. There are TWO elements going on here. We can reject the word if an unconditional prophecydoes not come to pass” OR we can reject a conditional prophecy if it “does not follow

Does not follow
Does not follow what? Doesn’t not follow God’s heart or forthtelling and by extension His word. Additionally in NT context, if it doesn’t not testify to Jesus in some way. So, “does not follow” means that the intent/direction of the word must follow God’s nature/plan/purpose. That way even if the word is rejected by the recipient, it still follows. For example, let’s say an individual gets a word that tells them to turn away from drugs and adultery and turn back to God, and they reject that word and continue their destructive lifestyle. That word still “follows” God’s nature. What God wanted to bring FORTH in their life lines up with His word and heart.

Explicit OR Implicit
Again, to understand the nature of prophecy we have to look it all of it, not a single verse. Fortunately, the Bible is full of examples. One key to remember is that a conditional prophecy does not have to explicitly state the conditions to be conditional. It only has to carry with it the power to bring FORTH GOD’S HEART. In, Jonah 3, Jonah prophesied that Ninievah would be destroyed in 40 days. There was no condition explicitly stated. Ninievah was not destroyed which completely lines up God’s heart (repentance) and brought FORTH something good. In Micah 3:12, Micah prophesied that “Zion will be plowed like a field”, no explicit conditions, but the invasion fell short (Jer 26:18). And there are actually considerably more examples.

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This may seem like a lot. Remember, the devil hates prophecy and wants to discredit it. What I've outlined here does not just look at one scripture, but takes into account the entirety of scripture... it's consistent.

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. As long as we live in a fallen world, as long as we have struggles, as long as we haven’t reached the fullness of His plan and purpose for our lives, God’s HEART will continue to be to bring FORTH direction, hope, healing, or whatever else is needed in our lives. Prophecy is only one way He does it, but it is a powerful, powerful way - when we understand it and are open to it.

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Please note you are in the Spiritual Gifts forum, please make yourself aware of the Statement of Purpose for this forum before responding.

This material comes from over 12 years of personal ministry experience backed by mentors with over 100+ years of combined experience in prophetic ministry.

The goal of this thread teach and guide not to debate the scriptural merit of what is presented, please keep responds limited to that context.

I will post further threads involving other aspects of prophetic ministry in the future.



I have been in full-time ministry for 25 years and operating in the prophetic for longer, carrying a verified mantel, I have written about the subject extensively and I can confirm that what topher wrote here on the subject is very accurate and God-honoring - although not in any manner covering the depth of the subject, what is written here has been done so very well and very concisely.

WELL DONE!
 
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Oh, where to begin? Many people are confused about what prophecy is, and more importantly, how it works. So, I do thank topher694 for their teaching, but as Reborn1977 points out, this conversation can go much deeper. The first rule of prophecy is that even if we can prophecy, if we have not love, we have nothing (1 Corinthians 13:2). The next rule is we need to prophecy according to the proportion of faith given us (Romans 12:9). And since faith is the substance of what we hope for (Hebrews 11), we begin to see why these 3 things remain: love, hope, and faith, the most important of these being love (1 Corinthians 13:13).

What exactly am I saying? The fruits of the Spirit are way more important than the gifts of the Spirit. Once you have the fruits, then your prophecy (and other gifts) will be effective and bear fruit.
 
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Oh, where to begin? Many people are confused about what prophecy is, and more importantly, how it works. So, I do thank topher694 for their teaching, but as Reborn1977 points out, this conversation can go much deeper. The first rule of prophecy is that even if we can prophecy, if we have not love, we have nothing (1 Corinthians 13:2). The next rule is we need to prophecy according to the proportion of faith given us (Romans 12:9). And since faith is the substance of what we hope for (Hebrews 11), we begin to see why these 3 things remain: love, hope, and faith, the most important of these being love (1 Corinthians 13:13).

What exactly am I saying? The fruits of the Spirit are way more important than the gifts of the Spirit. Once you have the fruits, then your prophecy (and other gifts) will be effective and bear fruit.
All good points. This is designed to only be the first of many. It takes time to write in a way that does them justice, and time isn't something that I have a ton of, but we'll get there.
 
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