the name of God

[LynneClomina]

please note: i am trinitarian. my church is trinitarian. this is NOT a "defence" of oneness. this is an examination of the NAME of God, in general, and in which we baptize people.

Jesus told His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. they promptly went out and baptized in the name of Jesus.

were they disobedient? or are we missing something?

John 17:6
"I (Jesus) have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.

if Jesus is the manifestation of God's name, then wouldnt it be safe to say that the name of God is 'Jesus'?

the word "name" in John 17:6 above means: the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.

Jesus is the earthly manifestation/disclosure of who God is, so if Jesus' name is Jesus, wouldn't the name of God in generaly be Jesus as well?

 

[robl]

Interesting point and good question. One thing to take into consideration is that Jesus is just the way we translate His name. There are some very interesting studies done on the way His Greek name translates into Hebrew and its relation to YHWH. There is also the I AM to take into consideration but you could have a blessed time studying this out. Let me know if you want me to dig up any of the links or references on this topic. I'll be checking back in a bit later today and can look them up if you want.
In His love,
Rob

 

[LynneClomina]

sure, that would be great! thanks!

 

[robl]

http://www.ariel.org/qayeshua.html http://tzion.org/articles/FAQs/Yeshua.html http://www.richard-2782.com/Yeshua.htm
I don't know if these were exactly what you were looking for but they do make for interesting reading. Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday . I am going to continue to look for some others but the search I was going to try is entering Yeshua and name in a google search to see what I find. You may also want to post this or a similar question in the Messianic Jew part of the forum. I hope this helps some anyway! Enjoy your study!
In His love,
Rob

 

[Anthony]

if Jesus is the manifestation of God's name, then wouldnt it be safe to say that the name of God is 'Jesus'?

Jesus is the incarnated God. To baptize in just Jesus' name is partial credit. It's only part of what they were requested to do by Jesus. He asked them to baptize in the trinity by mention all three parts.

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

We have a problem with the trinity in that we tend to lump the three parts together and use them interchangably. There all the same, so any one will do? They are three parts, not three carbon copy clones.

 

[LynneClomina]

yes, but the disciples promptly went out and baptized in Jesus' name.

were they being disobedient? i highly doubt it. were they unsure of what Jesus meant? there is no sign at all that they weren't sure of exactly what they were doing. they just went straight out and did what they understood they had been told - to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. - "Jesus". it seems that that is exactly how they interpreted His words - that the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit IS "Jesus".

the scriptures are inspired - are we to say that the scripture would let a "wrong" or "disobedient" practice be carried out by the disciples IN THE SCRIPTURE that was wrong and yet was never corrected? don't you think that if the disciples were wrong that they would have been corrected somewhere in the NT? no - in fact, paul says follow me as i follow the Lord. do as i have done. they were the example of the DOING of Jesus' COMMAND. how they obeyed Jesus has to be our standard for how WE obey Him, does it not? how they obeyed is not just a historical document - it is scripture!

Jesus commanded:

Mt 28:19 - Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

and they obeyed how?

Ac 2:38 - Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Ac 8:16 - For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Ac 10:48 - And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.

Ac 19:5 -When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

that is every instance of baptism in the NT that tells what name they were baptized into - the only one that specifically doesnt say Jesus, says "Lord" - and who is Lord? both God and Jesus - so it does not rule out Jesus as being the name they baptized in.
this all tells me that the name of the trinity IS Jesus. because in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; (Col 2:9).

that is where the mysery lies - that in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, yet He was separate from the Father and the Holy Spirit. so if Jesus is 100% God, why cant 100% of God be called "Jesus"?

 

[robl]

Jesus called God Father. When teaching us to pray, He taught us to call Him Daddy. The one thing I know is that He knows our hearts and knows when I'm talking to Him!

 

[LynneClomina]

Jesus called God Father. When teaching us to pray, He taught us to call Him Daddy. The one thing I know is that He knows our hearts and knows when I'm talking to Him!

Yeah! amen!