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The Most Passionate Science Deniers Are Pro-Trans ‘Experts’ Who Profit From Carving Up Kids
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<blockquote data-quote="Ana the Ist" data-source="post: 77034328" data-attributes="member: 302807"><p>I'm interested in actual suicide rates. I get they're depressed. Lots of teens struggle with multiple psychological issues. I don't intend to solve them all....but if a particular group is actually killing themselves at an abnormally high rate...I think that's worth looking into. </p><p></p><p>I remember reading a couple of years ago that the suicide rate of young black men from 13-17 had jumped significantly. This made a couple of headlines....then went away.</p><p></p><p>This isn't the worst study I've seen...it's actually pretty fair. It openly admits it doesn't demonstrate correlation between receiving hormones and suicidality. It points out some of the weaker flaws in the math when so much relies on guesswork. It's honest.</p><p></p><p>The thing is....it doesn't remotely tell me what I'm trying to find out. I want to know the suicide rate of transgender youth. We aren't talking about a small issue here....we're talking about giving children the ability to give consent to the sort of life altering medical treatments an adult would struggle with. To even bother with considering this problem I'd like to know how big the problem actually is. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm old enough to remember when this community lied about the number of times they got murdered compared to everyone else. I did the math, and found out the only group that got murdered less was the asian community. Why did everyone believe they were murder victims at some extraordinary rate? Because they made this claim over and over again and people are dumb. They don't check the numbers. So, because you're a logical person, and I'm sure you wouldn't risk widespread harm to children over some made up problem.....</p><p></p><p></p><p>Can you tell me what the trans youth suicide rate is? I don't even care if they killed themselves over the supposed unavailability of treatments....I'm making it really simple. We're talking about trans youth....17yo and younger....who succeeded in a suicide against the entire population of trans youth.</p><p></p><p>Because once we have that number (an actual number not a multivariate regression estimate based on 12 dead kids or something) we can compare it against others to see who has a problem. </p><p></p><p>Does that make sense to you?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I read the first study...really not bad. I'm not going to shred it apart. It's honest. </p><p></p><p>Just looking at the titles of the rest of your gish gallop doesn't encourage me to hope the number I'm looking for is in there somewhere.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ana the Ist, post: 77034328, member: 302807"] I'm interested in actual suicide rates. I get they're depressed. Lots of teens struggle with multiple psychological issues. I don't intend to solve them all....but if a particular group is actually killing themselves at an abnormally high rate...I think that's worth looking into. I remember reading a couple of years ago that the suicide rate of young black men from 13-17 had jumped significantly. This made a couple of headlines....then went away. This isn't the worst study I've seen...it's actually pretty fair. It openly admits it doesn't demonstrate correlation between receiving hormones and suicidality. It points out some of the weaker flaws in the math when so much relies on guesswork. It's honest. The thing is....it doesn't remotely tell me what I'm trying to find out. I want to know the suicide rate of transgender youth. We aren't talking about a small issue here....we're talking about giving children the ability to give consent to the sort of life altering medical treatments an adult would struggle with. To even bother with considering this problem I'd like to know how big the problem actually is. I'm old enough to remember when this community lied about the number of times they got murdered compared to everyone else. I did the math, and found out the only group that got murdered less was the asian community. Why did everyone believe they were murder victims at some extraordinary rate? Because they made this claim over and over again and people are dumb. They don't check the numbers. So, because you're a logical person, and I'm sure you wouldn't risk widespread harm to children over some made up problem..... Can you tell me what the trans youth suicide rate is? I don't even care if they killed themselves over the supposed unavailability of treatments....I'm making it really simple. We're talking about trans youth....17yo and younger....who succeeded in a suicide against the entire population of trans youth. Because once we have that number (an actual number not a multivariate regression estimate based on 12 dead kids or something) we can compare it against others to see who has a problem. Does that make sense to you? I read the first study...really not bad. I'm not going to shred it apart. It's honest. Just looking at the titles of the rest of your gish gallop doesn't encourage me to hope the number I'm looking for is in there somewhere. [/QUOTE]
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