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The Most Destructive Line in the New Catechism

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Fr. David J Nix

Keep in mind as you read this blog post that the new Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) released in 1992 is not infallible. There are significant errors in the CCC, including the constant flip-flopping of the death penalty as I discussed in yesterday’s video. In fact, Pope John Paul II never claimed it was infallible upon its release. He simply said it was a “sure norm.” But he still released a highly-defective catechism.

On the other hand, Pope Clement XIII said that the 16th century Roman Catechism of Trent (RCT) contains “that teaching which is the common doctrine of the Church, from which all danger of doctrinal error is absent.” No other catechism released by the Church has ever been said to be free of all “doctrinal error.”

The death penalty in the new CCC is a big problem. But by far, the most destructive line in the new (non-infallible) CCC is #2352:

CCC 2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.” “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.” To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

Do you see what is wrong in that paragraph? It says masturbation (or self-abuse) is not a mortal sin if it becomes a habit.

Now, even I admit that there are certain chromosomal disorders (like Trisomy-18, as if the child were to live long enough to do some odd form of self-abuse, or even traumatic brain injuries, aka TBIs) that could certainly reduce culpability in committing a major sin like masturbation. On this recent video, I even discussed how children who have been trafficked may have greatly reduced culpability for otherwise-major sins they commit (especially after having been raped 20,000 times before their 13th birthday.) Of course, this might even include the sin of self-abuse.

But hard cases make bad law.

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The CCC is beautifully written ... but, out of genuine curiousity, I recently just ordered the RCT.
(Should be here anyday now! :blush:)


Thank you for sharing the article as within it the author provides a link to his YouTube videos on the RCT.
They may be helpful to me in reading thru it ...
 
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Fr. David J Nix

Keep in mind as you read this blog post that the new Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) released in 1992 is not infallible. There are significant errors in the CCC, including the constant flip-flopping of the death penalty as I discussed in yesterday’s video. In fact, Pope John Paul II never claimed it was infallible upon its release. He simply said it was a “sure norm.” But he still released a highly-defective catechism.

On the other hand, Pope Clement XIII said that the 16th century Roman Catechism of Trent (RCT) contains “that teaching which is the common doctrine of the Church, from which all danger of doctrinal error is absent.” No other catechism released by the Church has ever been said to be free of all “doctrinal error.”

The death penalty in the new CCC is a big problem. But by far, the most destructive line in the new (non-infallible) CCC is #2352:

CCC 2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.” “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.” To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

Do you see what is wrong in that paragraph? It says masturbation (or self-abuse) is not a mortal sin if it becomes a habit.

Now, even I admit that there are certain chromosomal disorders (like Trisomy-18, as if the child were to live long enough to do some odd form of self-abuse, or even traumatic brain injuries, aka TBIs) that could certainly reduce culpability in committing a major sin like masturbation. On this recent video, I even discussed how children who have been trafficked may have greatly reduced culpability for otherwise-major sins they commit (especially after having been raped 20,000 times before their 13th birthday.) Of course, this might even include the sin of self-abuse.

But hard cases make bad law.

Continued below.
Wow!

Agreed that the CCC is not infallible. And yet it is a compendium of the common teaching of the Catholic Church, and to that extent it contains many infallible things, many highly probable things, and it can have some errors in how it present things. The First Edition, the one based on the French original, had some zingers that needed to be corrected. Most were corrected in the Latin final text which was the basis for our commonly available Second Edition. The Second Edition was far and away better than the First Edition.

Tiny changes have been mads by pope Francis to the Second Edition. Still I look for the early Second Edition CCCs in used bookstores. They are common enough.

I think CCC 2352 is substantially correct. But the problem with it is that while habits do lessen culpability, getting into the habit is culpable. Once in the habit the culpability of successive events IS decreased. That's like ALL mortal sins, which need serious matter, knowledge of the seriousness of it, freedom not to do it, and the will to do it anyway. Habit DOES diminish the sinfulness of an evil act. The CCC is correct here.

The problem is so many priests, both before and after the CCC came out, have decided that masturbation is no sin at all, habit or not. My theory is that they think this because they do it themselves, and spread moral poison in the process. Now we could tweak the CCC to explain that there is plenty of culpability before a habit is established and that moral culpability can still exist even with a habit. BUT THE PROBLEM is not the CCC. IT IS LOUSY PRIESTS who have their own moral problems, have no interest in solving their own moral problems, and are subversive of the morals of those in the confessional.

My advise for those who have this moral failure. If a priest has said it's no sin, then find a different priest. Find one who knows how to break habits and wants you to break the habit. All those other priests are a waste of time and black cloth. Fr. Nix, good man that he is, should have complained about that. Those kind of priests are everywhere, and some bishops and cardinals too. Worthless. Not corrupted by one paragraph of the CCC. Corrupted by a whole complex of false teachers.
 
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The CCC is beautifully written ... but, out of genuine curiousity, I recently just ordered the RCT.
(Should be here anyday now! :blush:)

Thank you for sharing the article as within it the author provides a link to his YouTube videos on the RCT.
They may be helpful to me in reading thru it ...
This is a great catechism. Serious Catholics should look to it (and/or the adult version of the Baltimore. Catechism). We never repudiated the past
 
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Our understanding about hormones is far different that what was understood back in the 16th century,
so, teachings by a Pope back then weren't always infallible, Remember Church leaders still had heretics
burned at the stake back then, yet masturbation was considered a great mortal sin? Go figure.

Our current understanding of the biological urges of the body are why the current CCC 2352 is written as it is.

Even then, there is nothing in Scripture that shows masturbation is against God's commandments.

I do see that masturbation is driven by hormones, especially for young males. However, is it mortal sin?

As CCC 2352 says in essence, that it requires pastoral care in helping the person to overcome the temptation.

As a 72 year old male, I can guarantee that the desire lessens as we age. An 18-year-old male is going to have
sexual temptations that he won't have when he's 50 years of age.

That being said, I also know that masturbation inhibits spiritual growth for the soul. However, it may be because of guilt
felt as a result of Church teaching. Who knows, but God?

Also, there are leaders in the Church who were A-sexual from an early age on. Others merely repressed their sexual
urges while others failed and committed sin with others as we've seen recently with homosexual priests.

All I can say is, do the best you can and stay close to Christ, as he's the only source for overcoming temptations.

Lastly, don't send me offensive private messages, as I'll report them.
 
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..... If a priest has said it's no sin, then find a different priest. Find one who knows how to break habits and wants you to break the habit. All those other priests are a waste of time and black cloth. ....
I was shocked a few decades ago when a priest friend said to me, "We don't have a need for more priests. We have too many priests." Now I understand what he said, and maybe why. I see that very, very few men are truly called to a celibate life for the sake of Christ. And because a priest stands in persona christi capitis, he ought to be celibate and called to celibacy. As Paul said,
1Co 7:7 I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
1Co 7:8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do.
1Co 7:9 But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion.
Then marry, and serve Christ as a lay man.
 
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.... Also, there are leaders in the Church who were A-sexual from an early age on. Others merely repressed their sexual
urges while others failed and committed sin with others as we've seen recently with homosexual priests.

All I can say is, do the best you can and stay close to Christ, as he's the only source for overcoming temptations. ....
It seems the vast majority of Catholics today(as at Corinth) remain in the beginning, or purgative, stage of the interior life and thus have in themselves only ordinary grace, working with fallen natures, to battle against their concupiscence and the clever enemy of souls who sees all the low-hanging fruit, the "babes in Christ" easy to seduce to sin. Paul wrote:
1Co 3:1 But I, brethren, could not address you as spiritual men, but as men of the flesh, as babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food; for you were not ready for it; and even yet you are not ready,
1Co 3:3 for you are still of the flesh. ...
We today have so many teachers who are themselves "babes in Christ", who have little to no understanding of the great treasures of the Faith that lay hidden to them, beyond their grasp, beyond even an educated hope for their future, they - they merely form their students as limited as they themselves are.

Luk 6:39 He also told them a parable: "Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?
Luk 6:40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but every one when he is fully taught will be like his teacher.
Luk 6:41 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
Luk 6:42 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.
This is the great tragedy of our times: the impotent state of catechesis in a time of spiritual famine.
 
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I think CCC 2352 is substantially correct. But the problem with it is that while habits do lessen culpability, getting into the habit is culpable.
I would bet thought that for most the habit begins in adolescence when hormones start to kick in. These new and powerful urges, difficult to understand for a 12 year old and certainly even more difficult to control require room for diminished culpability.

Else a 12 year old is in mortal sin?
 
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It got me thinking and ...

The age of reason, sometimes called the age of discretion, is the age at which children attain the use of reason and begin to have moral responsibility. On completion of the seventh year, a minor is presumed to have the use of reason, but intellectual disability can prevent some individuals from ever attaining the use of reason. The term "use of reason" appears in the 1983 Code of Canon Law 17 times, but "age of reason" does not appear. However, the term "age of reason" is used in canon law commentaries such as the New Commentary on the Code of Canon Law published by Paulist Press in 2002.

The age of majority in the Latin Catholic Church is 18 though, until the entry into force of the 1983 Code of Canon Law in 1983, the age of majority was 21.


Canon 97
 
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I was shocked a few decades ago when a priest friend said to me, "We don't have a need for more priests. We have too many priests." Now I understand what he said, and maybe why.
A good priest brings people to Jesus. A bad priest brings them to hell. I think we need a few more good priests and a lot less bad ones.
 
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I would bet thought that for most the habit begins in adolescence when hormones start to kick in. These new and powerful urges, difficult to understand for a 12 year old and certainly even more difficult to control require room for diminished culpability.

Else a 12 year old is in mortal sin?
I'm sure an average 12 year old could figure out how to sin mortally in some things. In others perhaps only venial sins. Point is that by reading CCC 2352 as giving a pass to almost everybody we don't do a lot of favors. Some people WILL find themselves accountable for their actions and their best defense might be that they believed too easily the priests who they should have known not to trust. The ignorance defense only works for invincible ignorance.
 
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A good priest brings people to Jesus. A bad priest brings them to hell. I think we need a few more good priests and a lot less bad ones.
An important question to ask, of a possible candidate for holy orders: "Who sent you?"
The same priest who said to me personally, "We have too many priests," said earlier in a group retreat presentation, commented upon this passage:
Mt 9:36 When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.
Mt 9:37 Then he said to his disciples, "The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few;
Mt 9:38 pray therefore the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest."
This passage is commonly heard and interpreted, "to send out more laborers!" This priest was careful to point out He did not say, pray the Lord to send out more...," but rather pray the Lord to send out laborers.... This accurate exegesis begs the question to candidates for the priesthood, "Who sent you?"
The Lord sends few, because He works with few for the good of the many. Those who are so sent, bear fruit. Those who are not, confuse.

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But "on the other hand..." - Jesus chose only a few - 12. And He knew and understood that He "needed" Judas. It can take us a long time to know and understand that we too, in the wisdom of God, "need" the Judases among us.
 
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