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The moral and ethical dillema of enjoying heaven while innocent people suffer in hell.
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<blockquote data-quote="TedT" data-source="post: 76886137" data-attributes="member: 432516"><p>GOD of course CAN AND DOES heal psychopathology in His sheep gone astray into psychopathology all the time! The only difference between those saved and those who cannot be saved as unforgivable is found in the choice the elect made to bow to HIM as their GOD before they sinned though once they got HIS promise of salvation from all sin called election and were safe from hell, they went their own way into sin against HIS wishes. </p><p></p><p>This ploy was firmly rejected by the reprobate as unworthy of their hatred for this liar and false god. By their free will they rebuked HIM as a liar and false god driven by an evil megalomania. </p><p></p><p>IF a free will means anything, it must mean that no one can change your mind against your will, ie, unless you have given them permission to do so. Since our first sin enslaves us by its addictive power, after we become sinful by sinning our first sin, we can and never would ever ask anyone to save us or to help us to repent. Thus we had to ask for HIS help to save and sanctify us <strong><em>before </em></strong>we sinned our first sin, which we did by accepting HIM as our LORD and Saviour.</p><p></p><p>The UNforgivable sin, a bit more detail:</p><p>First, the demons are NOT unforgivable because their sin is worse than the sins of the elect. As I understand Christianity, all sin is equal, that is, all sin has an equal and ultimate disvalue with GOD. Therefore, while we judge sins as worse (high suffering) or less (less suffering), from GOD's pov they are the same and have equal and ultimate moral disvalue.</p><p></p><p>It is the person's relationship with GOD that accounts for the word, <em><strong>saved,</strong></em> not whether the sin is less or more. A person who, by their free will, has accepted YHWH as their GOD is then under HIS promise that if they should ever sin and become evil in HIS sight, HE would do all the work necessary to bring that person back to their first true free will decision to follow HIM, to break the intense addiction to evil they have self created by their decision to be evil, and to teach that person to never sin again. By accepting HIM as their saviour, they accepted HIM to change their minds from evil if they should ever need it.</p><p></p><p>The unforgivable sin was the Satanic fall, their free will decision to reject by faith, ie, an unproven hope, YHWH's claims to be our creator GOD and to reject the gospel of salvation from sin as found only in the Son. It contained the ideas that HE was no better than the rest of us so HE must be a liar and as a liar, a false god. As the first liar in all of creation, HE must therefore be the most evil person in existence so they repudiated HIM perfectly, rejecting HIM from having any influence in their lives at all. Putting their faith in this idea that HE was evil and driven by a psychotic megalomania made them eternally unfit to ever be HIS Bride so they were condemned to judgement on the spot.</p><p></p><p>They can't be forgiven because</p><p>- they made the decision to rebel against GOD's claims to Deity by their free will and a free will decision cannot be changed by anyone unless the person asks for it to be changed.</p><p></p><p>- Once they rebelled they became enslaved by the addictive power of evil which destroyed their ability to seek true repentance, that is, they couldn't save themselves from its addictive power by their own choice. They were instantly and totally unable to repent of their evil of being committed fully to the belief they were right to rebel against this upstart liar and false god.</p><p></p><p>Amen...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TedT, post: 76886137, member: 432516"] GOD of course CAN AND DOES heal psychopathology in His sheep gone astray into psychopathology all the time! The only difference between those saved and those who cannot be saved as unforgivable is found in the choice the elect made to bow to HIM as their GOD before they sinned though once they got HIS promise of salvation from all sin called election and were safe from hell, they went their own way into sin against HIS wishes. This ploy was firmly rejected by the reprobate as unworthy of their hatred for this liar and false god. By their free will they rebuked HIM as a liar and false god driven by an evil megalomania. IF a free will means anything, it must mean that no one can change your mind against your will, ie, unless you have given them permission to do so. Since our first sin enslaves us by its addictive power, after we become sinful by sinning our first sin, we can and never would ever ask anyone to save us or to help us to repent. Thus we had to ask for HIS help to save and sanctify us [B][I]before [/I][/B]we sinned our first sin, which we did by accepting HIM as our LORD and Saviour. The UNforgivable sin, a bit more detail: First, the demons are NOT unforgivable because their sin is worse than the sins of the elect. As I understand Christianity, all sin is equal, that is, all sin has an equal and ultimate disvalue with GOD. Therefore, while we judge sins as worse (high suffering) or less (less suffering), from GOD's pov they are the same and have equal and ultimate moral disvalue. It is the person's relationship with GOD that accounts for the word, [i][B]saved,[/B][/i] not whether the sin is less or more. A person who, by their free will, has accepted YHWH as their GOD is then under HIS promise that if they should ever sin and become evil in HIS sight, HE would do all the work necessary to bring that person back to their first true free will decision to follow HIM, to break the intense addiction to evil they have self created by their decision to be evil, and to teach that person to never sin again. By accepting HIM as their saviour, they accepted HIM to change their minds from evil if they should ever need it. The unforgivable sin was the Satanic fall, their free will decision to reject by faith, ie, an unproven hope, YHWH's claims to be our creator GOD and to reject the gospel of salvation from sin as found only in the Son. It contained the ideas that HE was no better than the rest of us so HE must be a liar and as a liar, a false god. As the first liar in all of creation, HE must therefore be the most evil person in existence so they repudiated HIM perfectly, rejecting HIM from having any influence in their lives at all. Putting their faith in this idea that HE was evil and driven by a psychotic megalomania made them eternally unfit to ever be HIS Bride so they were condemned to judgement on the spot. They can't be forgiven because - they made the decision to rebel against GOD's claims to Deity by their free will and a free will decision cannot be changed by anyone unless the person asks for it to be changed. - Once they rebelled they became enslaved by the addictive power of evil which destroyed their ability to seek true repentance, that is, they couldn't save themselves from its addictive power by their own choice. They were instantly and totally unable to repent of their evil of being committed fully to the belief they were right to rebel against this upstart liar and false god. Amen... [/QUOTE]
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