The ministry of death?

[k4c]

The Ten Commandments written in stone, also known as, the letter, is the ministry of death because the purpose of the Law on stone was to point out sin.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

When the Law points out sin it produces a death within us because of that sin, not because of the Law.

Romans 7:7-9 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet.'' But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

Jesus came to take away our sin, not the Law.

1 John 3:5 And you know that Jesus was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Once our sin is taken away our guilt and condemnation goes with it. Guilt and condemnation are the ingredients that produces the death within us.

Romans 4:8 Yes, what joy there is for anyone whose sins are no longer counted against him by the Lord.''

When we're in Christ, there is no condemnation.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Why is there no condemnation? Because we are walking according to the Spirit.

Now, what does it mean to, walk according to the Spirit?

The Spirit is given to us to empower us to keep God's Law.

Ezekiel 11:19-21 "Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, "that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God. "But as for those whose hearts walk after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their deeds on their own heads,'' says the Lord God.

Ezekiel 36:26-28 "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. "Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

There is no condemnation when we walk according to the empowering of the Spirit. Way is that? Because we will be keeping God's Law and when we keep God's Law we are not sinning so when we're not sinning there is no condemnation.

1 John 3:6 So if we abide in Him, obedient to him, we won't sin; but as for those who keep on sinning, they should realize this: They sin because they have never really known him.

So you see, if you are without Christ you are under the minstry of death because you are still in your sins.

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ hasn't been raised from death, your faith is worthless. You are still in your sins!

Under the New Covenant God is looking for people to obey from the heart. This can only come by the power of God's Spirit working in us through love. Why do I say this? Because the Law on stone brought obedience through fear but when a person believes he can get away with breaking God's Law, he will. This is not so under the ministry of the Spirit because we will have an obedience that is of the heart through love and freedom, as opposed to, obedience from the flesh through bondage and fear of punishment.

Ephesians 6:6 Don't work hard only when your master is watching and then shirk when he isn't looking; work hard and with gladness all the time, as though working for Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.

Under the New Covenant, God does away with our sin, which removes the guilt, condemnation and fear of punishment, also know as, the ministry of death and replaces it with His love, forgivness and the empowering Spirit of God. This gives us confidence and sets us free from condemnation and guilt, this produces life within.

1 John 4:16-19 So we know and believe the love God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. In this is love perfected with us, that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so are we in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love. We love, because he first loved us.

Let us love God and man and by doing so the Law will be manifested in our lives without even trying.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Adventtruth]

The Ten Commandments written in stone, also known as, the letter, is the ministry of death because the purpose of the Law on stone was to point out sin.

Ok...good. But let me add...not only your acts of sin that you see...but your sin nature is exposed as well. This is humanities connection to Old Adam after the fall. That was the whole point...to expose your sin nature and humanities connection to Old Adam. (Romans 5)

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

When the Law points out sin it produces a death within us because of that sin, not because of the Law.

Romans 7:7-9 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet.'' But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

I really dont know if you even understand what you are saying here....but correct me if I am wrong.

sin in that passage is hamartia... a noun....its not taking about acts of sin, but you position or nature in sin. Paul is pointing out fallen humanity's position here and not their acts acts. He is saying he would not have know his position or nature except through the law. His sin nature is what makes him break Gods commandment to not covet. When he had no knowledge of Torah things where fine, but when Torah came he was aware of his position or sin nature.

Jesus came to take away our sin, not the Law.

1 John 3:5 And you know that Jesus was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Once our sin is taken away our guilt and condemnation goes with it. Guilt and condemnation are the ingredients that produces the death within us.

If Christ came to take it away...then why do you still sin? So the question is...How did Christ take it away?

Romans 4:8 Yes, what joy there is for anyone whose sins are no longer counted against him by the Lord.''

When we're in Christ, there is no condemnation.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Ok...

Why is there no condemnation? Because we are walking according to the Spirit.

No....there is no condemnation because we believe by faith....the walking is a result of truly being in Christ....we can't put the cart before the horse.

Now, what does it mean to, walk according to the Spirit?

The Spirit is given to us to empower us to keep God's Law.

Ezekiel 11:19-21 "Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, "that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God. "

But as for those whose hearts walk after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their deeds on their own heads,'' says the Lord God.

Ezekiel 36:26-28 "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. "Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Its funny how you went to the old covenant to get those passages. But its even more odd that you would say the Spirit was given to walk in Gods law when the two passages say nothing of the sort. You are really stretching here. Torah is not even in the passage at all. The passage has more to do with Gods people in a covenant community and abiding by the terms of the covenant more than anything.

There is no condemnation when we walk according to the empowering of the Spirit. Way is that? Because we will be keeping God's Law and when we keep God's Law we are not sinning so when we're not sinning there is no condemnation.

1 John 3:6 So if we abide in Him, obedient to him, we won't sin; but as for those who keep on sinning, they should realize this: They sin because they have never really known him.

This needs to be clarified by youa bit k4c....because you still sin. So kindly clear up what you mean here.

So you see, if you are without Christ you are under the minstry of death because you are still in your sins.

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ hasn't been raised from death, your faith is worthless. You are still in your sins!

Under the New Covenant God is looking for people to obey from the heart. This can only come by the power of God's Spirit working in us through love. Why do I say this? Because the Law on stone brought obedience through fear but when a person believes he can get away with breaking God's Law, he will. This is not so under the ministry of the Spirit because we will have an obedience that is of the heart through love and freedom, as opposed to, obedience from the flesh through bondage and fear of punishment.

Ephesians 6:6 Don't work hard only when your master is watching and then shirk when he isn't looking; work hard and with gladness all the time, as though working for Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.

Under the New Covenant, God does away with our sin, which removes the guilt, condemnation and fear of punishment, also know as, the ministry of death and replaces it with His love, forgivness and the empowering Spirit of God. This gives us confidence and sets us free from condemnation and guilt, this produces life within.

1 John 4:16-19 So we know and believe the love God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. In this is love perfected with us, that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so are we in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love. We love, because he first loved us.

Let us love God and man and by doing so the Law will be manifested in our lives without even trying.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

How has God done away with your sin k4c...please explain and clear these issue up, or have you arrived and sinless in the flesh? And is keeping the law and establishing the law arrived at by the same means...if so what is it?


AT

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

If Christ came to take it away...then why do you still sin? So the question is...How did Christ take it away?

Christ takes away the penalty for sin through repentance and forgiveness=justification.

He shields us from the condemning nature of the Law, as long as we remain in His shadow ie: not giving in to temptation. When we do succumb to temptation, we are no longer in His shadow until we repent and are cleansed.

 

[k4c]

Ok...good. But let me add...not only your acts of sin that you see...but your sin nature is exposed as well. This is humanities connection to Old Adam after the fall. That was the whole point...to expose your sin nature and humanities connection to Old Adam. (Romans 5)

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


I really dont know if you even understand what you are saying here....but correct me if I am wrong.

sin in that passage is hamartia... a noun....its not taking about acts of sin, but you position or nature in sin. Paul is pointing out fallen humanity's position here and not their acts acts. He is saying he would not have know his position or nature except through the law. His sin nature is what makes him break Gods commandment to not covet. When he had no knowledge of Torah things where fine, but when Torah came he was aware of his position or sin nature.


If Christ came to take it away...then why do you still sin? So the question is...How did Christ take it away?

Ok...

No....there is no condemnation because we believe by faith....the walking is a result of truly being in Christ....we can't put the cart before the horse.

Its funny how you went to the old covenant to get those passages. But its even more odd that you would say the Spirit was given to walk in Gods law when the two passages say nothing of the sort. You are really stretching here. Torah is not even in the passage at all. The passage has more to do with Gods people in a covenant community and abiding by the terms of the covenant more than anything.

This needs to be clarified by youa bit k4c....because you still sin. So kindly clear up what you mean here.

How has God done away with your sin k4c...please explain and clear these issue up, or have you arrived and sinless in the flesh? And is keeping the law and establishing the law arrived at by the same means...if so what is it?


AT

Sin is a violation, as well as, a condition. We sin because of our condition, the sin does not produce the condition. We will always have our sinful condition but when we receive Christ we now have another condition within us, which wars against the sinful condition. Whichever one you server is the one that will be your master.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The Ten Commandments written in stone, also known as, the letter, is the ministry of death because the purpose of the Law on stone was to point out sin.

Actually, the letters engraved on stones are the ministry that brings death. They are the agent that leads to death. We agree that the purpose of the letters engraved on stones was to point out sin. Since the Seed came, that purpose is fulfilled through the conviction of the Holy Spirit (who convicts us regarding sin and righteousness and judgment).

When the Law points out sin it produces a death within us because of that sin, not because of the Law. Romans 7:7-9 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet.'' But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

The previous six verses point out how this is resolved. It is resolved because those who were bound by the law were later released not only from sin but from the law itself.

1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
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4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
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Jesus came to take away our sin, not the Law.

Jesus came not to destroy but to fulfill the law. And He did just that. He fulfilled the law. Not one jot or tittle of the law remains. However, we still have access to the Father through blood of Jesus Christ and the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Guilt and condemnation are the ingredients that produces the death within us.

Paul confirms that it is the letters engraved on stones that bring death. The source of death is not only sin, it is -- in fact --- the letters engraved on stones.

So you see, if you are without Christ you are under the minstry of death because you are still in your sins.

Persons who are "with Christ" sin.

Under the New Covenant God is looking for people to obey from the heart.

Under the new covenant, God is looking for people to fulfill the law through their love of others.

BFA

P.S. I personally prefer the study of one passage of Scripture in its full context. I'm not a big fan of the prooftext method that strings together a series of unrelated passages that were written in different time periods to different audiences, sometimes by different authors. But hey, to each his own. That's my preference.

 

[Adventtruth]

Christ takes away the penalty for sin through repentance and forgiveness=justification.

He shields us from the condemning nature of the Law, as long as we remain in His shadow ie: not giving in to temptation. When we do succumb to temptation, we are no longer in His shadow until we repent and are cleansed.

Sorry but you have flunk the test....you have a works based salvation....that is of debt and not grace.

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

AT

 

[Adventtruth]

Sin is a violation, as well as, a condition.

For you...which one came first?

We sin because of our condition

Yes...but before your acts of sin, you where still missing the mark with God because of your condition.

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the sin does not produce the condition.

No one is saying that, so why bring it up?

We will always have our sinful condition

Yes but you are not under its dominion any more if you are a Justified believer.

but when we receive Christ we now have another condition within us, which wars against the sinful condition.

Ok but that has noting to do with our discussion.

Whichever one you server is the one that will be your master.

As I said....it has nothing to do with our discussion.

AT

 

[k4c]

Yes but you are not under its dominion any more if you are a Justified believer.

AT

Do not let sin have dominion over you. This is not automatic It's a choice that we have to make.

 

[k4c]

Sorry but you have flunk the test....you have a works based salvation....that is of debt and not grace.

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

AT

You are confusing justification with salvation, they are different. Justification is a declaration from God that we cannot earn but salvation is a lifestyle empowered by God that keeps us justifed.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Sorry but you have flunk the test....

I didn't know you were a teacher... my bad.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You are confusing justification with salvation, they are different. Justification is a declaration from God that we cannot earn but salvation is a lifestyle empowered by God that keeps us justifed.

K4C, they are not going to see it... dust off your feet brother.

 

[k4c]

K4C, they are not going to see it... dust off your feet brother.

I know, I know... But it keeps me sharp in the word.

People have such a perverted and twisted view of salvation. They say we are not under the Law but then in the same breath they say we will keep the Law if we're led by the Spirit... Then when I ask if it's okay for them to sin they ask a question in response to the question that goes something like this, "Don't you still sin?". When questioned about lying, stealing or committing adultery they will say they won't because the Spirit will convict... I think they have medication for that.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

But it keeps me sharp in the word.

What a great, productive reason for posting in an online discussion forum. It doesn't have to be about changing another person's mind (that really isn't my objective and, as far as I can tell, has never happened anyway). Rather, it can actually be beneficial for you whether or not other people see things as you do.

At least that's how I look at it . . .

BFA

 

[k4c]

What a great, productive reason for posting in an online discussion forum. It doesn't have to be about changing another person's mind (that really isn't my objective and, as far as I can tell, has never happened anyway). Rather, it can actually be beneficial for you whether or not other people see things as you do.

At least that's how I look at it . . .

BFA

I'm getting my kit ready to dust off my shoes.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I'm getting my kit ready to dust off my shoes.

May I suggest a brand of shoe polish known as Edal? It's German and works really well.

God bless,
BFA