When humans are concerned about the suffering of other species, we are not acting like other animals.
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When humans are concerned about the suffering of other species, we are not acting like other animals.Humans are animals, and always act like animals, just more advanced sooooo.
We are special. We are capable of being self aware and compasionate to the needs of other human beings and other animals.
Not in the way humans can be. Ants and bees do not help humans in trouble.Selfless? How about a single ant within a colony of millions. What about the bees that work themselves to death to feed and protect the brood. Are these animals selfish?
We are special. We are capable of being self aware and compasionate to the needs of other human beings and other animals.
When humans are concerned about the suffering of other species, we are not acting like other animals.
Ants and bees might not be rescuing humans in trouble (that we know of at least) but perhaps you should refer to the above links for some examples of what you seem to least expect from what you seem to consider to be some lower form of life... "animals."Quote:
Originally Posted by elman
Being human or civilized as we sometime call it is being loving and not self centered and self focused, as is true of non humans who are animals and uncivilized. Being human is not the cause of our problems. Being animals is.
I would consider that sub-human behavior to be our failure to be humans which results in an automatic reversal to be simply animals.
Not in the way humans can be. Ants and bees do not help humans in trouble.
Living and dying are both aspects of Life, and Life is continuous.One confusing story of the bible is Lazarus; raised from death by Christ, to die a beggar. But he went to heaven, a reward for suffering on. (Luke 16:19-31) That could be a different Lazarus, I'm not sure, but, same applies anyhow, why return to die again?
The rich man who wouldn't help Lazarus went unto torment upon death, in Luke 16.
We're here to suffer and die; a "furnace of afflictions" as Isaiah called life.
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Originally Posted by elman
Being human or civilized as we sometime call it is being loving and not self centered and self focused, as is true of non humans who are animals and uncivilized. Being human is not the cause of our problems. Being animals is.
I would consider that sub-human behavior to be our failure to be humans which results in an automatic reversal to be simply animals.
Not in the way humans can be. Ants and bees do not help humans in trouble.
So, what's the meaning of life?
And they call this humility! I am an animal, he is a human, and he's humble.
What animals care for us that are not taught to do so by us? I did not say animals did not care for their own kind. We may in many ways be the least caring animal on the planet, but we are the only animals capable of the compassion that is possible for all other living things.I'm pretty sure a lot of animals care for each other. If anything, we are the least caring kind of animal on this planet.
You are not responding to what I said. I said other species.Animals concern themselves with the well being of their own also....
Are you saying that empathy is strictly a human characteristic?
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/11/24/dolphin_newzealand041124.html
http://www.eurocbc.org/page158.html
http://www.empathogens.com/empathy/animal.html
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=68&art_id=qw111936222132B231#jump
Ants and bees might not be rescuing humans in trouble (that we know of at least) but perhaps you should refer to the above links for some examples of what you seem to least expect from what you seem to consider to be some lower form of life... "animals."
Living and dying are both aspects of Life, and Life is continuous.
When One eats and breaths, what is dead becomes alive.
That which is considered "my self" or "my body" is the relationships among cell making up the body. Beyond such relationships, there is no body. And out of the 100 trillion or so cells associated with the human body only about 10 trillion or those cells harbor human DNA. That means 90% of you and I's bodies are not even human. The rest of which are the likes of viruses, bacteria, protozoa, and various other organisms. Each body is an ecosystem unto it self. Each of which is an aspect of an even greater ecosystem and every atom of such systems have resided within the cores of stars and will again. The process that forges these atoms is the same process that shines light upon the Earth.
I would not say that Life is some fluke of the Universe, I would say Life is the Self-Awareness of the Universe.
Awareness is the Universe, consciousness is the actualization of awareness.
A good question to ask oneself is where does the soil and air end and the body and breath begin?
No, but dolphins do - and they have the ability to.
You can't expect an insect that is unable to help something to help a being -
that's like saying you choose not to fly.
You can't, but you still choose not to.
Life IT'Self is a web of inter-support of ALL-Beings. What greater expression of love and compassion could there be?Animals are not observably capable of the compassion and love that humans are. Showing where animals are capable of compassion and love does refute this statment.
If you are referring to the ego by which you are conditioned to identify with throughout your up bring and societal identity... I would say no, that is not the true-you. I think this essay by Osho best describes what I am trying to get across, it's lengthy but well worth the read >>>Another good question would be am I my body or is my body different from me?
Perhaps you just have not learned, or a better description would be forgotten, the language required to recognize such all around.Humans are capable of compassion for other humans and animals and can help other animals and do help other animals in what no other animal is capable to helping a human. Isolated claims that a dolphin once helped a human does not nullify or do away with this statment.
Life IT'Self is a web of inter-support of ALL-Beings. What greater expression of love and compassion could there be?
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