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Yep, our Jewish friends have always kept the Sabbath.
If worshipping on Sunday is the mark of the beast, how does that fit in with the Bible saying the mark is on their foreheads or hands? Not only the curious placement of the mark relative to a Sunday law, but the indication there are two places, or ways, to have this mark. I really don't remember the answer from my past indoctrination.
Even though its possible I doubt there have always been sabbath keepers, contrary to what egw claimed the vadensians for example didnt keep the sabbbath
Revelation 14:9 is an allusion to Deuteronomy:
"And these words, which I command the this day, shall be in thine heart:
And thou [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
And thou shalt write then upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates."
Deuteronomy 6:6-9
"Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes."
Deuteronomy 11:18
"And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt."
Exodus 13:9
So the Bible gives us a hint: whatever the mark of the beast is, it will involve the beast attempting to replace God's commandments with his own. God's people will know when the time comes.
Yep, our Jewish friends have always kept the Sabbath.
If worshipping on Sunday is the mark of the beast, how does that fit in with the Bible saying the mark is on their foreheads or hands? Not only the curious placement of the mark relative to a Sunday law, but the indication there are two places, or ways, to have this mark. I really don't remember the answer from my past indoctrination.
Really..Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast or not?...When? At some unknown time when the Sunday law kicks in? Well what wrong with Sunday worship now? Why are Sundayworshippers being condemn by SDA?
The law between the eyes and forehead represents accepting the principles of the law in the mind and practicing them in daily life.
The seal of God and the mark of the beast are closely connected with character, one group come to represent the Lamb, the other group the beast.
The Sabbath was given as a sign (Hebrew = oth) that God sanctifies us. Hence it is central to the issue of holiness and being like Jesus. God has pledged that those who truly keep the Sabbath will be made holy by Him.
Therefore the Sabbath is a very important issue, because when God promises to make holy those who keep the Sabbath. To deliberately reject this is to distrust God's promise and reject His holiness.
The mark of the beast is not yet in effect, that time comes when all have had a chance to intelligently understand the issues and make a choice, when the Sunday law comes in.
God does not condemn sincere Christians who did not know about the true Sabbath. But the time is coming when all will know and have to make an intelligent decision either to keep God's commandments or man's laws.
Sunday exalts a man (the Pope) above God, hence worship of the beast, because the papacy claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday by its own authority.
Doesn't any Christian with a Bible have access to the Truth of the Sabbath?
I have met many, many Sunday keeping christians that have looked at the issue of Sabbath and whether to keep it or not. I don't believe you can be a Bible student and not come across this issue at some time or another... sadly, many come to it and reject it but there are those that seethe truth in it.
I know you maybe don't agree, but there are some indicators Sabbath worship isn't required of Christains. (No direct command repeated, no listing of Sabbath breaking as a sin post-cross, No instruction to anyone, including the Gentile churches on how to observe the Sabbath in the Christian era (remember, they didn't have the Gospels yet).
Maybe if Sabbath observance was the defining issue of salvation in the end times the Holy Spirit could have inspired some Bible writer to at least mention it's importance to Christians under the New Covenant. I'm sure you know how many times in Paul's Epistles to the Gentile churches he uses the word "Sabbath" and where that is.
Why would God leave us partly in the dark as to if we are to keep the Sabbath, said to be a sign exclusively between God and the Nation of Israel? Why leave any possibility of doubt? There are many sins mentioned in the Epistles while Sabbath breaking is always absent.
"Choose now who you will serve" shouldn't be on a debatable issue that many God fearing, studious theologians disagree on.
I agree that the requirement for Sabbath keeping wasn't clearly laid out in the epistles, however, Jesus did teach on it's right observance. Yes, you can say that He only said that for the Jews, but where does that reasoning end? Perhaps everything Jesus said was only for the Jews and our only instruction is everything taught after the cross... maybe we, as new covenant Christians don't need the OT as instruction either. Is that what we want to believe?
I know you maybe don't agree, but there are some indicators Sabbath worship isn't required of Christains. (No direct command repeated, no listing of Sabbath breaking as a sin post-cross, No instruction to anyone, including the Gentile churches on how to observe the Sabbath in the Christian era (remember, they didn't have the Gospels yet).
Maybe if Sabbath observance was the defining issue of salvation in the end times the Holy Spirit could have inspired some Bible writer to at least mention it's importance to Christians under the New Covenant. I'm sure you know how many times in Paul's Epistles to the Gentile churches he uses the word "Sabbath" and where that is.
Why would God leave us partly in the dark as to if we are to keep the Sabbath, said to be a sign exclusively between God and the Nation of Israel? Why leave any possibility of doubt? There are many sins mentioned in the Epistles while Sabbath breaking is always absent.
"Choose now who you will serve" shouldn't be on a debatable issue that many God fearing, studious theologians disagree on.
Just saying it is obvously a pretty debatable issue to use as the defining criteria for who is saved. No matter what you may think, it is not exactly black and white for the reasons I have mentioned and more.
Would God not make it much more plain if He would use the issue as a dividing line between who is saved and who is damned? I could go on and on with names of devout, studied men of God who believed and believe the Sabbath is not necessary for Christians to follow.
Why rely on questionable symbolic interpretations from apocalyptic verses for your doctrine?
Has anyone here looked up the Greek word for mark...according to Strong's Concordance? It seems to mean "etching" or "stamp" or "imprinted mark". Might be something interesting to investigate.
mrasell,
Thanks for your response...it still seems to be a physical mark of some kind. Just thought it would be interesting for others to investigate on their own, if they are so inclined.
The beast is simply a mistrust in God and Divinity. Fools feed that its power.
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