The Lord's Day and the Sabbath are different days of the week

BobRyan · May 11, 2018

W2L said:
I know, it doesn't refer to any particular day of the week.

The Sabbath Command does however.
And in Hebrews 4 "there REMAINS a Sabbath rest for the people of God" just as it was in Psalms 95 in the time of David.

No wonder then for all eternity after the cross we have "from Sabbath TO Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23 ..

In fact "the Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27

SAAN · May 11, 2018

Where in the bible does it specify what day exactly John was talking about in regards to "The Lords Day".

Revelation 1:10
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Sunday crowd usually states it is the Day Jesus rose or uses Rev 1:10, but there is no where in this verse in which John says any day.

Saturday crowd usually uses Matt 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5... but there is no where in this verse in which any specific day is mentioned either.
.Matthew 12:8
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
even of the sabbath day.

Mark 2:28
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Luke 6:5
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Some will even say its neither and God was referring to a biblical Sabbath Day (Day of Atonement, Trumpets, etc)

So where in the bible does it specify which day is the Lord's Day?

yeshuaslavejeff · May 11, 2018

SAAN said:
So where in the bible does it specify which day is the Lord's Day?

Since your audience is mostly trained by tradition (even when they don't realize it),
it is unlikely you will get consensus here.

Online 'studies' perhaps may provide a clear concise answer from Scripture as ought to be, without wrangling over words and traditions, and without dissension and without opposing other Scripture or any Scripture.

Posting it on open forums doesn't lead to agreement with Scripture.

klutedavid · May 11, 2018

SAAN said:
Where in the bible does it specify what day exactly John was talking about in regards to "The Lords Day".

Revelation 1:10
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Sunday crowd usually states it is the Day Jesus rose or uses Rev 1:10, but there is no where in this verse in which John says any day.

Saturday crowd usually uses Matt 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5... but there is no where in this verse in which any specific day is mentioned either.
.Matthew 12:8
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
even of the sabbath day.

Mark 2:28
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Luke 6:5
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Some will even say its neither and God was referring to a biblical Sabbath Day (Day of Atonement, Trumpets, etc)

So where in the bible does it specify which day is the Lord's Day?

The seventh day according to the Jews was the Sabbath day. That day was already a named day of the week, so you never see the 'sixth day' mentioned in the Bible. John would have used the week day name, i.e., Sabbath day, if that was the day on which he was spoken to. Yet John does not say the Sabbath day but a new name for a day, i.e., the Lord's day. Obviously, John is referring to the day of the resurrection of Jesus, the first day of the week. I cannot see how anyone could argue this point.

The Sabbath day is certainly not the Lord's day, the Sabbath day is never called the Lord's day in the scripture.

The7thColporteur · May 13, 2018

klutedavid said:
...The Sabbath day is certainly not the Lord's day, the Sabbath day is never called the Lord's day in the scripture.

I would respectfully and evidentially disagree - The Lord's Day and the Sabbath are different days of the week

Even as the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD, which is "the Lord's day", ties to the greater "the Day of the LORD", the 7,000th year of the Great Cosmic Week - The Lord's Day and the Sabbath are different days of the week

Doveaman · May 19, 2018

SaintCody777 said:
What many are unaware of us that the Sabbath is not the Lord's Day nor vice versa.

The Israelites, under Moses and Joshua, experienced the Sabbath-rest according to the law.
But in Hebrews, God speaks of another day of rest that the Israelites did not experience, and God calls that other day "Today":

'Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later He spoke through David, as was said before: "Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.' - (Heb 4:7-8)

God is speaking of another day of rest, and He is calling that day "Today".

"Today" is the Sabbath-rest for the people of God. "Today" is also the Lord's day, the day of the Lord's salvation:

"Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation." - (2 Cor 6:2)

The Sabbath-rest for the people of God, then, is “Today” on the Lord's day; on the day of the Lord's salvation.

"Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." - (Matt 11:28-29)

Doveaman · May 19, 2018

W2L said:
You are missing the point of Hebrews 4. It speaks of another day, i.e today. Thats not the seventh day bro.

The Sabbath-rest for the people of God is on "another day", and that day is “Today”.

'Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later He spoke through David, as was said before: "Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.' - (Heb 4:7-8)

Doveaman · May 19, 2018

BobRyan said:
But in addition it says that the Sabbath rest of Psalms 95 in the day of David "REMAINS" for the people of God today.

Nope.

The Sabbath rest in the time of David is the same Sabbath rest that was observed under Moses and Joshua.

Under Moses and Joshua the Jews observed the seventh-day rest and they eventually entered the promise-land rest.

But Hebrews 4 is speaking of another day of rest that was not observed or entered under Joshua:

"For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own works, just as God did from His." - (Heb 4:8-10)

When we enter into God's Sabbath-rest, we also rest from the natural works of our human nature, just as God rested from the natural works of His material creation.

Tayla · May 19, 2018

SaintCody777 said:
What many are unaware of us that the Sabbath is not the Lord's Day nor vice versa.

Yes, good point. The Sabbath is Saturday, the Lord's Day is Sunday.

BobRyan · May 19, 2018

W2L said:
We are in the NC now. Hebrews speaks of a day that is not Saturday.

Hebrews says "the 7th day" instead of "not saturday"

BobRyan · May 19, 2018

W2L said:
You are missing the point of Hebrews 4. It speaks of another day, i.e today. Thats not the seventh day bro.

But in addition it says that the Sabbath rest of Psalms 95 in the day of David "REMAINS" for the people of God today.

So now -- just how much "creative divergence" do you think they had for their seventh day Sabbath in David's day???

Doveaman said:
Nope.
The Sabbath rest in the time of David is the same Sabbath rest that was observed under Moses and Joshua.

And Hebrews 4 says "it remains"

BobRyan · May 19, 2018

jesus316 said:
Yes, good point. The Sabbath is Saturday, the Lord's Day is Sunday.

Wouldn't it be great if an actual Bible text said that?

W2L · May 19, 2018

BobRyan said:
Hebrews says "the 7th day" instead of "not saturday"

"Not the seventh day"

W2L · May 19, 2018

BobRyan said:
But in addition it says that the Sabbath rest of Psalms 95 in the day of David "REMAINS" for the people of God today.

So now -- just how much "creative divergence" do you think they had for their seventh day Sabbath in David's day???

And Hebrews 4 says "it remains"

Psalms 95 isn't talking about the seventh day sabbath

The7thColporteur · May 19, 2018

W2L said:
Psalms 95 isn't talking about the seventh day sabbath

It is known as a Sabbath Psalm. It also mentions the very things about the Creator as found in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:8-11 KJB. Compare it also to Psalms 100. In my Hebrews 3-4 Study coming soon, by God's grace, this will all be documented thoroughly.

W2L · May 19, 2018

The7thColporteur said:
It is known as a Sabbath Psalm. It also mentions the very things about the Creator. Compare it also to Psalms 100. In my Hebrews 3-4 Study coming soon, by God's grace, this will all be documented thoroughly.

Psalm 95 and hebrews 4 is talking about the same rest but that's not the seventh day rest

The7thColporteur · May 19, 2018

W2L said:
Psalm 95 and hebrews 4 is talking about the same rest but that's not the seventh day rest

The study I will present, by God's grace, will show otherwise in great detail.

When it is posted, give it a chance. Read prayerfully is all I ask, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

W2L · May 19, 2018

The7thColporteur said:
The study I will present, by God's grace, will show otherwise in great detail.

I dont need great detail, i can read the scriptures for myself and see its not talking about the 7th day rest. Are you seriously suggesting that God prevented the Jews from observing the 7th day rest? That makes no sense, with respect. God said they would not be allowed to enter His rest. That is not talking about the 7th day. God did not prevent them from observing 7th day sabbath.

The7thColporteur · May 19, 2018

W2L said:
...Are you seriously suggesting that God prevented the Jews from observing the 7th day rest? ...

God didn't. They did, through their unbelief. 7th day keepers are not necessarily Sabbath keepers. Righteousness comes by faith.

W2L · May 19, 2018

The7thColporteur said:
God didn't.

But God said He swore that they would not be allowed to enter His rest.

No, its clearly not talking about observing a seventh day rest.

The Lord's Day and the Sabbath are different days of the week

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