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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 59341975" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>Yep, I'm aware of that. The same thing came up in the gun control thread that I posted recently. It's a whole different culture in Canada & Europe than what we have here so it's tough to use their data as a guideline. The same could be said with any other system (whether it be their monetary system, economic system, etc...) </p><p> </p><p>There are problems we have over here that they don't have over there. For one, they don't have the high immigration numbers we have over here.</p><p>(And this is not a knock to any of the law-abiding, hard working immigrants who came to this country to make a better life, I'm just presenting statistics)</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml" target="_blank">Justice Dept. Figures on Incarcerated Illegals</a></p><p> </p><p>"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."</p><p> </p><p>"Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population."</p><p> </p><p>"Up to a third of the U.S. federal prison population is composed of non-citizens, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics - but not all non-citizen prison inmates are illegal aliens."</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/immigrants-in-us-jails-steady-at-about-25-percent-of-inmates/2011/03/23/AFRFMHPE_blog.html" target="_blank">Number of immigrants in federal prison increases, but proportion stays stable - The Federal Eye - The Washington Post</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Lawmaker-to-Feds-Pay-California-for-Illegal-Immigrants.html" target="_blank">Lawmaker to Feds: Reimburse California for Illegal Immigrants | NBC Los Angeles</a></p><p> </p><p>We neighbor a country (and continent) that has some of the most powerful drug lords and criminal elements in the world with easy access to our ports and borders and have far too many prisons that are "for-profit" and owned and regulated by private corporations.</p><p> </p><p>You combine these elements, and we don't stand a chance in terms of prison & crime statistics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 59341975, member: 123415"] Yep, I'm aware of that. The same thing came up in the gun control thread that I posted recently. It's a whole different culture in Canada & Europe than what we have here so it's tough to use their data as a guideline. The same could be said with any other system (whether it be their monetary system, economic system, etc...) There are problems we have over here that they don't have over there. For one, they don't have the high immigration numbers we have over here. (And this is not a knock to any of the law-abiding, hard working immigrants who came to this country to make a better life, I'm just presenting statistics) [url=http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml]Justice Dept. Figures on Incarcerated Illegals[/url] "The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces." "Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population." "Up to a third of the U.S. federal prison population is composed of non-citizens, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics - but not all non-citizen prison inmates are illegal aliens." [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/immigrants-in-us-jails-steady-at-about-25-percent-of-inmates/2011/03/23/AFRFMHPE_blog.html]Number of immigrants in federal prison increases, but proportion stays stable - The Federal Eye - The Washington Post[/url] [url=http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Lawmaker-to-Feds-Pay-California-for-Illegal-Immigrants.html]Lawmaker to Feds: Reimburse California for Illegal Immigrants | NBC Los Angeles[/url] We neighbor a country (and continent) that has some of the most powerful drug lords and criminal elements in the world with easy access to our ports and borders and have far too many prisons that are "for-profit" and owned and regulated by private corporations. You combine these elements, and we don't stand a chance in terms of prison & crime statistics. [/QUOTE]
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