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<blockquote data-quote="Morat" data-source="post: 321742" data-attributes="member: 3008"><p>Recieved: No, you didn't. Nothing in there explained why the Solar System was not (much less could not be) a purely natural occurance. An "Accident" in your parlance.</p><p></p><p>&nbsp; You <em>asserted</em> that it requires God, but that's not anything other than personal opinion, and a personal opinion in violation of the opinion of experts. You're going to need more than "personal beliefs" to make a case.</p><p></p><p>Alex:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>&nbsp; *snort*. If forensic evidence was limited to what you know, perhaps. Luckily, scientists are a <em>tad</em> bit more clever than you.</p><p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Further, I didn't <em>make</em> an assertations. Recieved claimed it <em>could not have occured by accident</em>. That's a rather big claim, and he refuses to back it. I didn't speculate. Recieved <em>claimed</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>&nbsp; I believe my dog is in the other room, too. Did I just state the unreasonable?</p><p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Don't play bait-and-switch games with the meaning of "belief" and "faith" with me, Alex. I'm not that stupid. If you want to denigrate your own faith by lowering it to the level of "I believe there's a table in the other room" go right ahead. But it's not "belief" in the sense that everyone <em>else</em> means when they say "I believe in God".</p><p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Unless you truly <em>do</em> believe words have but one, single, meaning.</p><p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Just to finish off: To be scientific, something must meet certain standards. Specifically, it must adhere to the scientific method. Evolution does, Creation does not. End of story.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Nope. Try, oh...the energy flatness of the universe. The CMB, the Hubble flow, and a dozen other things that imply our universe had a beginning. What was "before" is something of a misnomer, as time is a product of this universe, but the notion is there.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; I suppose in your world the Hubble flow doesn't exist? Oh, and the CMB wasn't correctly predicted. Yep, didn't happen in your universe. </p><p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; There's plenty of evidence for the Big Bang. You may not know it, you may not understand it, and you may fervently wish it wasn't there, but that doesn't make it nonexistant. Science does not operate by the limits of <em>your</em> knowledge and abilities. Thankfully.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>&nbsp; When did I mention God? That's <em>your</em> theological problem. Neither the Big Bang, nor evolution, nor any of science say anything about God. You're the one who keeps bringing him up. Science doesn't care one whit about God, or your theology, or anything religious. </p><p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Your religion, on the other hand, seems to get it's knickers in a twist over simple science. Project much?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>&nbsp; Let me once more be grateful that science and reality are not limited by your understanding, knowledge, and abilities. We'd still be staring at&nbsp;meat, thinking how odd it was that rotten meat made flies.</p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Morat, post: 321742, member: 3008"] Recieved: No, you didn't. Nothing in there explained why the Solar System was not (much less could not be) a purely natural occurance. An "Accident" in your parlance. You [i]asserted[/i] that it requires God, but that's not anything other than personal opinion, and a personal opinion in violation of the opinion of experts. You're going to need more than "personal beliefs" to make a case. Alex: *snort*. If forensic evidence was limited to what you know, perhaps. Luckily, scientists are a [i]tad[/i] bit more clever than you. Further, I didn't [i]make[/i] an assertations. Recieved claimed it [i]could not have occured by accident[/i]. That's a rather big claim, and he refuses to back it. I didn't speculate. Recieved [i]claimed[/i]. I believe my dog is in the other room, too. Did I just state the unreasonable? Don't play bait-and-switch games with the meaning of "belief" and "faith" with me, Alex. I'm not that stupid. If you want to denigrate your own faith by lowering it to the level of "I believe there's a table in the other room" go right ahead. But it's not "belief" in the sense that everyone [i]else[/i] means when they say "I believe in God". Unless you truly [i]do[/i] believe words have but one, single, meaning. Just to finish off: To be scientific, something must meet certain standards. Specifically, it must adhere to the scientific method. Evolution does, Creation does not. End of story. Nope. Try, oh...the energy flatness of the universe. The CMB, the Hubble flow, and a dozen other things that imply our universe had a beginning. What was "before" is something of a misnomer, as time is a product of this universe, but the notion is there. I suppose in your world the Hubble flow doesn't exist? Oh, and the CMB wasn't correctly predicted. Yep, didn't happen in your universe. There's plenty of evidence for the Big Bang. You may not know it, you may not understand it, and you may fervently wish it wasn't there, but that doesn't make it nonexistant. Science does not operate by the limits of [i]your[/i] knowledge and abilities. Thankfully. When did I mention God? That's [i]your[/i] theological problem. Neither the Big Bang, nor evolution, nor any of science say anything about God. You're the one who keeps bringing him up. Science doesn't care one whit about God, or your theology, or anything religious. Your religion, on the other hand, seems to get it's knickers in a twist over simple science. Project much? Let me once more be grateful that science and reality are not limited by your understanding, knowledge, and abilities. We'd still be staring at meat, thinking how odd it was that rotten meat made flies. [/QUOTE]
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