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<blockquote data-quote="Received" data-source="post: 318794" data-attributes="member: 1597"><p>Lewis, this was an argument that was fallicious to begin with.&nbsp; Under theism, every single thing that happens has a will that started it somewhere.&nbsp; The rain - God.&nbsp; The falling tree - man.&nbsp; The universe beginning - God.&nbsp; Pollution of the universe - man.&nbsp; This is getting rather difficult, and I apologize, but we are getting into religion without even really knowing it.&nbsp; Does a tornado happen by God?&nbsp; My answer would be yes, either that or allowed by God (the book of Job speaks on Satan using power).&nbsp; If God created the universe, who is in control of the weather?&nbsp; Natural causes?&nbsp; Yes, but with someone behind the controls.&nbsp;&nbsp;This&nbsp;whole argument&nbsp;will open up a super-huge hole of apologetics here if we're not careful, which is fine by me.&nbsp; I still hold to my words. </p><p></p><p>If something happens without intention, it is an accident. If you do not have a will you cannot have intentions. Thus, if you do not have a will, every event that takes place is an accident. </p><p></p><p>If you throw a rock at an abandoned house and are aiming for the roof but you smash the window, this is an accident - an unintended action on behalf of you, because you have conscience.&nbsp; If you do not have a will and this&nbsp;happens anyways (which is precisely what naturalism states with the origins) then you can state that there was no intention, as indeed (unless you are pantheist) matter has no conscience.&nbsp; If this matter does not have a conscience, then it does not have choice, which in turn means it has no will to choose.&nbsp; Thus, if you do not have a will, every event that takes place (this is going against logic, just as naturalism agrees) is an accident.&nbsp; If you do not intend something to happen, it is an accident.&nbsp; Naturalism rules out the entire consciousness, which in turn means you cannot intend good or ill.&nbsp; Period.&nbsp; Everything is therefore unintended (or not meant to be)&nbsp;and an accident.&nbsp; Me and C.S. Lewis may indeed be making the mistake of extending human will to inatimate objects, but the naturalists were the ones who started the whole deal.&nbsp; Without a will you cannot have an act.&nbsp; Do you&nbsp;believe that chance is a force?&nbsp; </p><p></p><p>blessings, </p><p></p><p>John</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Received, post: 318794, member: 1597"] Lewis, this was an argument that was fallicious to begin with. Under theism, every single thing that happens has a will that started it somewhere. The rain - God. The falling tree - man. The universe beginning - God. Pollution of the universe - man. This is getting rather difficult, and I apologize, but we are getting into religion without even really knowing it. Does a tornado happen by God? My answer would be yes, either that or allowed by God (the book of Job speaks on Satan using power). If God created the universe, who is in control of the weather? Natural causes? Yes, but with someone behind the controls. This whole argument will open up a super-huge hole of apologetics here if we're not careful, which is fine by me. I still hold to my words. If something happens without intention, it is an accident. If you do not have a will you cannot have intentions. Thus, if you do not have a will, every event that takes place is an accident. If you throw a rock at an abandoned house and are aiming for the roof but you smash the window, this is an accident - an unintended action on behalf of you, because you have conscience. If you do not have a will and this happens anyways (which is precisely what naturalism states with the origins) then you can state that there was no intention, as indeed (unless you are pantheist) matter has no conscience. If this matter does not have a conscience, then it does not have choice, which in turn means it has no will to choose. Thus, if you do not have a will, every event that takes place (this is going against logic, just as naturalism agrees) is an accident. If you do not intend something to happen, it is an accident. Naturalism rules out the entire consciousness, which in turn means you cannot intend good or ill. Period. Everything is therefore unintended (or not meant to be) and an accident. Me and C.S. Lewis may indeed be making the mistake of extending human will to inatimate objects, but the naturalists were the ones who started the whole deal. Without a will you cannot have an act. Do you believe that chance is a force? blessings, John [/QUOTE]
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