GrannieAnnie said:
But He doesn't murder souls in hell..........people make their own choices as to their going to heaven or hell.....God just lets them go to the place they have chosen for themselves....
God is the initiator of the causal chain. God created
all conditions in which everyone from all circumstances find themselves placed in.
A possible person named
X in any world would always in all scenarios torture person
B in scenario
C. This is an immoral action and it is from person
X himself, however - the existence of
X is contingent and God does not need to create
X. The circumstances of the action are also meaningless and also do not need to be actualised. God being omniscient would be able to prevent such moral evil and given benevolence would therefore prevent such evil.
This argument is entirely applicable in the case of all free actions. If person
X tortures
B then person
X is creating circumstances for
B For instance
X actualises the circumstance of torturing and are responsible for such a circumstance. However though, the nature of person
X and his response to scenario
C is in question. It is clear that we have the makings of a causal chain here, with each free action being caused by the person's nature and the circumstance, the circumstance being caused by another free person, etc... until we reach the point where God begins this chain. God
could have chosen to create another chain where it leads to virtue and would have been within God's power to do so and therefore God is ultimately responsible for the actions
X.
Defcon said:
How have you discerned that people going to hell is the antithesis of good?
Entirely good question.
It does of course, depend on the definition of hell.
Sojourner said:
How can God be all good unless he judges the evil in this world?
God did not need to create the evil, much less judge it. See my response regarding God's initiation of all affairs.
GodSoldierClintus said:
I think it's a honour that God most high, creator of the universe not only created me and then decided I was worthy to be made in his image.
All potentialities are by the fact of the God's omniscience, omnipotence and
necessary position as creator of the universe are instantiated into necessities.
On what basis though would God have in your example to discriminate between you being worthy or not worthy?
GodSoldierClintus said:
And even though He knew the possibilities allowed me free choice.
The contradiction is incredible.
jamiel said:
I believe just like I'm ruminating about the nature of "sin", it's also the nature of "free will." God gave us free will, which is a wild card all by itself. Who knows what will happen when you do that? Until it happens . . . (Other than God, who apparently still went through with this.)
This is another contradiction.
Skavau