The Left Comes Out In Support Of Fred Phelps

SallyNow · Jul 25, 2006

mhatten said:
Who are the "Left"?

"The Left" are those people who do things like support civil liberties for all, who believe in quality health care for all, who believe in quality education for all, and of course, who support free speech.

A person is part of "the right" can support any number of the above "left" traits, but they can not support them all.

The ACLU upholds civil rights for all. Period. No matter thier religious, cultural, or political background, as long as it's a case that can be done brought forward in the US justice system.

Jacey · Jul 25, 2006

george78 said:
Of Course the ACLU and the Left Support Fred Phelps. After all, he is nothing more than an agent provocateur.

Here you have a guy who is a lifelong Democrat. He's run for office as a Democrat several times. (State Representative, US Senator, Governor) each time he ran for office, he bragged about how liberal he was.

Ted Bundy was a republican.

ElvisFan42 · Jul 25, 2006

SallyNow said:
"The Left" are those people who do things like support civil liberties for all, who believe in quality health care for all, who believe in quality education for all, and of course, who support free speech.

A person is part of "the right" can support any number of the above "left" traits, but they can not support them all.

The ACLU upholds civil rights for all. Period. No matter thier religious, cultural, or political background, as long as it's a case that can be done brought forward in the US justice system.

... if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

John Fitzgerald Kennedy

Borealis · Jul 25, 2006

ElvisFan42 said:
... if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

John Fitzgerald Kennedy

Kennedy would not be part of today's Democrat party. Reagan was a Democrat at that time; Zell Miller was a Kennedy-Democrat.

Liberals didn't welcome homeschooling without rigid reactions. They don't welcome the idea of school reform, social security reform, welfare reform, voting requirements reform, or tax reform (unless the reform is an increase in spending or taxation).

morningstar2651 · Jul 25, 2006

Borealis said:
And black people can use the 'N' word all they want, but if a white person dares to use it, the PC police come down on them like a ton of bricks.

I have yet to meet these PC Police you speak of. Closest thing I can think of is the FCC (which fines people for obscenity that is publicly broadcast), and I'm certainly not a fan of them. Last I checked, the FCC doesn't care what color your skin is -- you say it in a public broadcast, you're fined.

There aren't bad words -- there are bad ideas. Words are all made up -- they have no meaning unless they are connected to an idea. For example: Bleeble-snorx glooble splatt. Also, some words have gained new meanings over time through use. Therefore, it obviously depends on the context a word is used in.

I say be as obscene or tame as you want. You are the one that has to deal with the consequences of your behavior.

xMinionX · Jul 25, 2006

ho hum

ElvisFan42 · Jul 25, 2006

Borealis said:
Kennedy would not be part of today's Democrat party. Reagan was a Democrat at that time; Zell Miller was a Kennedy-Democrat.

Liberals didn't welcome homeschooling without rigid reactions. They don't welcome the idea of school reform, social security reform, welfare reform, voting requirements reform, or tax reform (unless the reform is an increase in spending or taxation).

If Kennedy had the choice of being a Democrat or a Republican today, he would still be a Democrat. I realize that a lot of conservatives and liberals look upon JFK fondly, maybe during his short time, he displayed the best qualities of both sides (a moderate). Never the less, he made the statement in response to someone trying to demonize him for being a liberal.

Some liberals may not like home schooling, but they don't react any worse than some conservatives react to public schools. I don't see common attacks against home schooling by liberals here, but I do see it from the other direction. The rest of your statement may apply to a few, but not to most. I'm hardly as liberal as many on this forum, in fact I prefer to stay moderate, but I would be proud to fit into Kennedy's definition, and I think many others would also.

It's odd that the people that don't mind that the US spends 50% of the worlds military costs (tax funded) complain about what some other people think taxes should be spent on. The theme seems to be that other than military, all taxes are liberal taxes. Personally, I think taxes should go to the states, and they should hand it out to the fed, not the other way around, and we should start saving taxes by eliminating waste, then we can figure out which programs are not needed.

burrow_owl · Jul 25, 2006

Borealis said:
They don't welcome the idea of school reform, social security reform, welfare reform, voting requirements reform, or tax reform .

Apparently, for conservatives adding "reform" at the end of anything means "get rid of it."

If PC is the attempt at social control through manipulation of language, conservatives all but own the mantle "Kings/Queens of PC."

NothingButTheBlood · Jul 25, 2006

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I have seen it from all types of Christians. How do liberal Christians reconcile their hatred of conservative Christians with his/her faith?

george78 · Jul 25, 2006

So that's the synopsis you're going with, is it? "Openly opposed the rights..." rather than, say, "filed a neutral brief regarding the content of threatening speech"?

Then, in 1995, the national ACLU joined its New York affiliate in defending an injunction against anti-abortion protesters, arguing that the imposition of a moving buffer zone that kept protesters 15 feet away from people entering and leaving abortion clinics did not violate the First Amendment.

That's not a "neutral brief".

nvxplorer · Jul 25, 2006

george78 said:
Then, in 1995, the national ACLU joined its New York affiliate in defending an injunction against anti-abortion protesters, arguing that the imposition of a moving buffer zone that kept protesters 15 feet away from people entering and leaving abortion clinics did not violate the First Amendment.

That's not a "neutral brief".

LOL.

That's not the same case. Heck, it's not even the same state. It's three time zones to the east.

TeddyKGB · Jul 25, 2006

It might be time to start LOLing at this whole thread.

blueapplepaste · Jul 25, 2006

Borealis said:
They don't welcome the idea of school reform,

Sadly this mostly true. I wish that more would see that our schools are failing. However, just passing out vouchers w/o addressing the underlying problems isn't the solution.

social security reform,

Bush's plan would have required billions of dollars to institute driving us further into debt. Liberals are all for it but for a plan that makes fiscal sense.

welfare reform,

Clinton passed one of the biggest welfare reforms. So that one's false.

voting requirements reform,

Funny that the only people to vote against renewing the voting rights act were conservatives. And last I checked it was conservatives who were against voting and civil rights acts during the 50's and 60's.

or tax reform (unless the reform is an increase in spending or taxation).

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Right, lets tax the poor and middle class and let the rich folk get all the breaks. Trickle down economics doens't work. Bush's tax cuts are going to kill us down the road, so his reform wasn't that much either. And increase in spending is a liberal thing?!?! I hope you're joking. The Repubs have had control of the government for the past 6 years and spending has never been greater.

gort · Jul 25, 2006

Borealis · Jul 25, 2006

blueapplepaste said:
Clinton passed one of the biggest welfare reforms. So that one's false.

Clinton talked about it; the Republican Congress wrote it and all but forced Clinton into signing it after all his big talk (and lack of action).

Funny that the only people to vote against renewing the voting rights act were conservatives. And last I checked it was conservatives who were against voting and civil rights acts during the 50's and 60's.

Check again. It was mainly Democrats who opposed it, who then left the party after the bill was passed. And you just made my point: reforming the voting rights act is totally unacceptable to Democrats, regardless of what the reforms suggested might be. Tell me, which party is opposed to reducing voter fraud by requiring photo ID, something that is attainable by ANYONE in America regardless of how much money they have?

Right, lets tax the poor and middle class and let the rich folk get all the breaks. Trickle down economics doens't work.

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History says otherwise. Amazingly, trickle-down economics worked wonders in Ontario ten years ago. They also worked in America twenty years ago. But I suppose real-world examples don't count, right?

Bush's tax cuts are going to kill us down the road, so his reform wasn't that much either.

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So tell me again, why is it that there has been a consistent economic growth and reduction in unemployment for the past five years (despite the economic carnage of 9/11 AND two full-scale military efforts in the Middle East?

And increase in spending is a liberal thing?!?! I hope you're joking. The Repubs have had control of the government for the past 6 years and spending has never been greater.

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There's a war on. I know that comes as a shock to many liberals. Military spending increases during wartime. And Bush has proven he's not the most fiscally responsible Republican America could have elected. But he's WAY better than either of the options the Dems put forth in the past two elections.

MachZer0 · Jul 26, 2006

nvxplorer said:
LOL.

That's not the same case. Heck, it's not even the same state. It's three time zones to the east.

It was from the link which was called a "neutral brief"' so time zones and states are irrelevant

MachZer0 · Jul 26, 2006

imind said:
so unsettling to see, in thread after thread, good conservative christians telling so many lies. how does one reconcile hatred with his/her faith?

never mind the truth.

Can you be specific about what lies you see in this thread and where you see hatred?

Doctrine1st · Jul 26, 2006

Boy I tell you.

The strict constructionists types have coronaries when ever those within the judicial system don't apply their personal views to protecting the law, and chose to uphold the rights bestowed to us through the strict interpretation of the constitution.

MachZer0 · Jul 26, 2006

Doctrine1st said:
Boy I tell you.

The strict constructionists types have coronaries when ever those within the judicial system don't apply their personal views to protecting the law, and chose to uphold the rights bestowed to us through the strict interpretation of the constitution.

The ACLU does not uphold rights based on a strict interpretation of the Constitution. that is clear

Doctrine1st · Jul 26, 2006

MachZer0 said:
The ACLU does not uphold rights based on a strict interpretation of the Constitution. that is clear

From atheists to the religious to heck, Rush Limbaugh, that is in fact their charter.

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