Maybe his different state hypothesis is true, and he just lives in it, while the rest of us experience a much more coherent reality.
.... nah. lol
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Maybe his different state hypothesis is true, and he just lives in it, while the rest of us experience a much more coherent reality.I think the true lesson to take from all of this is that Dad is living in a separate reality from the rest of us. In his reality there was a split, but in ours, there wasn't. We should feel sorry for him really, for his inability to think outside the box, and see that his split reality doesn't extend to all reality.
Reality as to which logic is flawed or not needs more than your stated opinion to be valid or invalid.
You like to pretend science can test all reality. No. That is NO measure of future or past reality, precisely because they cannot test it! The tests for sacred records were that they were known to be observed and recorded by real and reliable people. False prophets were killed by law. It is Last Thursdayism to wave away sacred records for no reason. That is what came down through history, long before so called science was around.
What about them?? And what about them did you think gave you a right to accuse??
But then you would be asked to give an example of something I don't understand.
The part I responded to.
Well obviously no one claims that. That would be as insane as claiming it was speck sized in the past, but we would all see how insane it was!
Let's see you impartially test the same state past!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????/
Knowing involves more than the eye of man.
Sounds like the makings of the first so called science hymn!
Touchy feely stuff aside, science doesn't know, that is what matters.
Being no more than a created trait, it can get in line with all the other created traits observed...so?? If you allude to the pond of Darwin, or some such nonsense, of course that is 100% fable.
Funny how you guys think that is the ultimate...what do they pay for that cracker jack prize these days? 1/4 mil? Whoopee do.
You are dreaming, it implodes almost without help! And the same state past assumptions are not supported so need not be attacked.
Of course. It is HERE NOW!
In NO WAY can that be done UNLESS the far past ALSO was this state. That you DO NOT KNOW! Check mate.
A different state future is not part of our present reality, nor a DSP. The issue is not that science doesn't yet know about the big change, but that they never bothered to look.I think the true lesson to take from all of this is that Dad is living in a separate reality from the rest of us. In his reality there was a split, but in ours, there wasn't. We should feel sorry for him really, for his inability to think outside the box, and see that his split reality doesn't extend to all reality.
Geology is institutionalized same state belief.Then why don't you go and see for yourself. maybe take a course in geology or something.
No test for the past? Funny, I thought radiometric dating did quite well at that.
They were verified every step of the way. Unlike same state science which is unfalsifiable.And I am not trying to wave away your sacred relics and records. I fully admit that they exist. What I am doing is asking for verification of those records.
I'm sorry. from now on I will assume that any religious person is the utmost pillar of morality, a paragon of virtue and incapable of doing any wrong.
False. Name one example you think I do not understand, and let's see who doesn't get it.You've made it quite clear that there is a great deal about science that you don't understand, and that lack of understanding is due to the fact that you have a rigidly held worldview and you automatically discount anything which contradicts that worldview.
Yeah, and the part you responded to was me saying, "I'm sure there are plenty of threads here about that. I'm not going to discuss it here for two reasons. One: it will be off topic. Two: You'll just iognore it anyway."
Which part of that is a slur against God?
You want to pretend you have inconsistencies about God? Yet you can't mention them? And you think that is not a slur??I said that there are plenty of threads about inconsistancies in the Bible.
Is that a slur against God? I said I wouldn't discuss it in this thread for two reasons. Is that a slur against God? The first reason I gave was that discussion about it in this thread would be off topic. Was that a slur against God? The second reason was that you would ignore any argument i put forth. Is that a slur against God?
Nonsense. ALL techniques assume a same state past. That is NOT proven, or known in any way.We can test the age of rocks using several different dating techniques. If the laws were different in the past, the different dating techniques would all give different answers due to different decay rates in the different materials. But they don't. When we actually do the tests, the ages given are in agreement. but then, I've already explained it to you. And you, as usual, ignore anything that disagrees with you.
Motherhood, and apple pie.Very well. Can you give me a single objective truth about the world that you can demonstrate to be objectively true that has not been found with the use of science?
The ode to evos doesn't seem like a godly hymn.Are hymns bad things now?
So if gut feelings are right, why do different people have gut feelings that lead them apart? Why have I had a gut feeling which I was absolutely convinced was right, yet it turned out to be wrong?
Nah, I don't think it is the ultimate. But it would give you recognition by the scientific community that your ideas are right.
And yet it is the most widely used tool in our investigation of the real world, it has given us all sorts of advances (including the computer you are using) and it has never been shown to be false, despite the ease you say such proof could be offered.
You need to know how much of each was there at the start. Otherwise there can be no real math. You don't. You just look at a daughter doing a waltz, and assume that she was always there dancing that way.So we have material A. it decays to material B, which decays to material C. Material B only comes from the decay of material A. So we can compare the amounts of each, and we have a way to check the amounts to ensure there is no contamination, because we know that material B can only come from A.
Anyway, if all the results you say are incorrect come from contamination, isn't amazing that all the rocks from a single layer, say the K/T boundary, have been contaminated in exactly the same way and by exactly the same amount in order to give the same incorrect date?
I don't claim science knows, I merely pointed out it does not. What we know we know from the records of God. Otherwise, you know not, and, hopefully at least now you know that you know not.And you do not know that the far past was a different state! Double check and mate!
You're assuming that all of us exist in the same reality as you do, the reality is that we don't live in the same reality as you do, and the issue is that you've never bothered to consider this. If only you'd think outside the box, dad.A different state future is not part of our present reality, nor a DSP. The issue is not that science doesn't yet know about the big change, but that they never bothered to look.
The only way utterly godless conclusions can constantly be arrived at, is by missing it entirely! That is really what science has been all about and the spiritual inspiration for it I would deduce.
Someone somewhere, or something has tried to keep you away from God, and spared no expense. Start to question what you thought they knew.
Guess you are a poster, really. Ask a lurker!
If you claim Nat Poe posted substantive replies in the thread, point them out!
Tiberius, why would you do something so awful. Think of the poor geology professor!Then why don't you go and see for yourself. maybe take a course in geology or something.
The laws and forces science knows are not a reality that is assumed. Extending them to the future and frying out the universe is another story.You're assuming that all of us exist in the same reality as you do, the reality is that we don't live in the same reality as you do, and the issue is that you've never bothered to consider this. If only you'd think outside the box, dad.
Perhaps this would be true in your reality, the one that had the split. In our reality, these things are simply not true.
You are not a lurker. Just in name. You post plenty. Be honest.You already did. I answered.
Work on that.Substantive replies to what? You haven't presented a substantive premise to reply to.
Geology is institutionalized same state belief.
Nope. Unless the state of the past was first KNOWN, that has NO meaning to deep time. It has only been assumed.
They were verified every step of the way. Unlike same state science which is unfalsifiable.
The cross checks for the keeping of scripture precluded any one man messing it up. The bible is all about man being sinners, not paragons of imaginary holiness. God is about being able to work with that, and get His word out anyhow.
False. Name one example you think I do not understand, and let's see who doesn't get it.
You want to pretend you have inconsistencies about God? Yet you can't mention them? And you think that is not a slur??
Nonsense. ALL techniques assume a same state past. That is NOT proven, or known in any way.
Motherhood, and apple pie.
The ode to evos doesn't seem like a godly hymn.
Maybe you place too much value on touchy feely things?
Hmm, that might be like asking a high priest of the occult to award me with a broom. I doubt it. Of course I would take the cash..
Real science is used for good and bad in the modern world. NO so called science of the same state past is used anywhere, but to offend faith in God.
You need to know how much of each was there at the start. Otherwise there can be no real math. You don't. You just look at a daughter doing a waltz, and assume that she was always there dancing that way.
No. Not amazing in any way. There are no dates, first of all, get rid of that notion. That leaves 'contamination'. The iridium comes from space and/or the deep insides of earth! So did the flood water....
I don't claim science knows, I merely pointed out it does not. What we know we know from the records of God. Otherwise, you know not, and, hopefully at least now you know that you know not.
The laws and forces science knows are not a reality that is assumed. Extending them to the future and frying out the universe is another story.
When one compares the universe before the Fall, to the universe after the Fall, it is not hard to see that they are operating in two different states of existence.They are a reality where all of the rest of us exist. Why do you keep extending the laws and truths of the split universe in which you exist to our non-split universe? You are just thinking inside the box when you assume that the people at the other end of the internet connection exist in a same-state reality as you.
When one compares the universe before the Fall, to the universe after the Fall, it is not hard to see that they are operating in two different states of existence.
Even the animals act differently.
You think there was no split, but the fact is, your myopic instruments cannot see past the Fall from here to Adam & Eve; and so you simply assume it didn't happen.Of course in your different state existence, there was a split, but in our reality, there was no such split.
You think there was no split, but the fact is, your myopic instruments cannot see past the Fall from here to Adam & Eve; and so you simply assume it didn't happen.
It's like that barrier at the edge of the galaxy in Star Trek, only worse.
It would be like someone saying, "We can't see what's beyond that barrier, and we don't need to because there's nothing there."
In other words, you guys can't see the barrier, let alone what was on the other side of it.
What kind of question is that?Why do you keep assuming we live in the same universe as you?
What kind of question is that?
Just how many universes are there?
Then let me do it for you.I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I can know that.
Sure -- one.How about you work it out with your myopic religion?
Of course there are at least two, one with a split, and one without. There could be many more.Then let me do it for you.
Your question assumes at least two universes, does it not?
Sure -- one.
Work on that.
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