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Actually let's look at what science knows. What you chose to believe or wave away is another matter.
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Actually let's look at what science knows. What you chose to believe or wave away is another matter.Actually, how about proving any of your "Split" blather -- what, how, or when -- pick one.
You would need to do more than say so.Then you are wrong.
You understand it? The talk about details here.Just because you do not know it does not mean that it is not known. What happens inside stars is quite well understood, and everything we see in the universe supports the accuracy of the model we have.
Your models often fail. Lots of stuff is unexpected, unpredicted, and a surprise. So called science merely scrambles to cook up a present state explanation, and boast how clever it is for so doing.If you were right, then our model of stars would NOT match what we see in distant stars. And yet they match perfectly.
How do we know it is being affected by gravity? because it is behaving in excactly the manner that einstein's theory of relativity tells us it will behave when it is being affected by gravity.
There is no distance possible unless our space exists with our laws all the way and you do not know that. Stop thinking spaghetti monster black holes are gobbling stars up, and things might not look as you thought they did!If the laws operating way out there are NOT the same as they are here, why do they look like they do? As I've said, what we see happening millions of lightyears away fits in perfectly with what we would expect if the laws operating here were also operating there.
What piece doesn't?? I claim it ALL. You have none.I asked for TESTABLE evidence. You've given me a vague statement. So go on, be specific, like I've asked you countless times. What DNA evidence makes no sense if you assume an ancient earth, but makes perfect sense when explained by your ideas?
The world was repopulated with 8 people remember? This was likely about the time that men all started to be unable to speak to one another also! Now add to that the known fact that heat was not produced or retained..So you are saying that while the continents were zipping away at a rate of speedd which would have caused incredible heating and volcanic activity by the sheer friction of moving trillions of tons of rock over other rock... and nobody noticed? And there isn't even any geologic record anywhere of such intense volcanic activity!
Where in that link does it address your claims here? Can you name me one daughter material that breaks down as you claim, that also was not here before the present decay state started?In many cases the daughter material also breaks down. So if A breaks down to B which breaks down to C, then we can look at the ratio of A to B and we can measure it against the ratio of B to C.
Here. Go and read this. Go and actually learn something.
No. I am assuming that man doesn't know but has assumed. In fact that is precisely the case. Ask someone that really knows science.So you are assuming that the laws were different in order to show that the laws were different. Tell me, do you ever get dizzy going in circles like this?
Actually let's look at what science knows. What you chose to believe or wave away is another matter.
So, you're both unable and unwilling to back up anything you claim?
distance is involved here obviously!
I do not claim the bible or God. I accept them because of overwhelming proofs. I do not accept a present state past, because there is exactly NO proof or evidence whatsoever. So far all that has been demoed here is a biased and fanatical imposition of assumptions and beliefs on the glorious things we see. ...I need a shower...yech.So, you're both unable and unwilling to back up anything you claim?
I mean ANY distance measured from earth's sphere, that is used in any calculations.A! Did you mean distance "from the center of mass." OK.
How do you know the speed without knowing how far away it is, and how big it is, and a few other things?? All you mean is that, IF our space and time and laws and light and gravity applied out there, then, the orbiting star would have so much mass and speed, and etc etc. In reality none of that is known. An atom is little and has things 'orbiting' it as well. Unless we know how big and far away, and what is really going on, and what it is really made of etc etc..it is ALL just conjecture, and a manufactured model.But if we know speed of the object, and if we know the time it takes to make one revolution, we can figure out how big its orbit must be.
So now you REQUIRE speed! How is that determined by you? If you do not even know how big or far away things are, what basis for speed have you??The total distance around the orbit must be equal to (the speed of the star) multiplied by (the time it takes to complete one orbit).
How can we know the speed? Size of the shift in wavelength is related to the speed of the object towards us or away from us (Doppler shift).
How can we know the time it takes to complete one orbit? We can know period of the orbit (by eclipse - One star closes another).
I do not claim the bible or God.
I accept them because of overwhelming proofs.
I do not accept a present state past, because there is exactly NO proof or evidence whatsoever.
So far all that has been demoed here is a biased and fanatical imposition of assumptions and beliefs on the glorious things we see. ...I need a shower...yech.
You would need to do more than say so.
You understand it? The talk about details here.
Your models often fail. Lots of stuff is unexpected, unpredicted, and a surprise. So called science merely scrambles to cook up a present state explanation, and boast how clever it is for so doing.
Your first link didn't work...this from the second...(as lame a piece of same state conjecture with no support, and after the fact as can be!)"
Kids, behold the wisdom of man!!!
So Al said that black holes would stretch stars like blobs,
and exit our 'dimension'..and have stars just fall in "for some reason"
There is no distance possible unless our space exists with our laws all the way and you do not know that. Stop thinking spaghetti monster black holes are gobbling stars up, and things might not look as you thought they did!
What piece doesn't?? I claim it ALL. You have none.
The world was repopulated with 8 people remember? This was likely about the time that men all started to be unable to speak to one another also! Now add to that the known fact that heat was not produced or retained..
Where in that link does it address your claims here? Can you name me one daughter material that breaks down as you claim, that also was not here before the present decay state started?
No. I am assuming that man doesn't know but has assumed. In fact that is precisely the case. Ask someone that really knows science.
Since you didn't mention "these things" there is nothing for anyone...why pretend to debate?-- the truth is, you don't accept these things because there's nothing in it for you.
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The viewpoints of science are what need to be looked at here. Biblical beliefs are beyond anyone's ability to deny.I've been asking you to do that regarding your viewpoints for ages and you haven't.
So I'll tell you what: I will if you will.
I don't personally understand it in great detail. But if you actually want to learn (which I doubt, but anyway...), here's a good start for you.
No model of a same state past is used...just imagined.If the models used in science often failed, they wouldn't be used.
None exist that do anything. What works is present state laws and knowledge. The rest is imaginary.But if you think that the models fail, why don't you write a paper about it and go win yourself a Nobel Prize...?
If a witness is caught lying the testimony is suspect.Typical creationist. Discount the whole thing because one part is unknown.
Where? Here...or in deep time and space?Because of gravity.
Yes, of course. It is perhaps right in this earth sphere and state. It is relative only to the box here!Again, it's called gravity.
And are you trying to say that Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong?
Since all science does is impose a biased belief based coloring on pieces, no piece will prove that science is wrong. It's bigger than thatThen take one piece and explain why it disproves my position.
It fits God's word and all evidences we do have. Science has nothing it can say against it.Please explain how these things have been verified. Please note: "An old book says so" is not a way to verify anything.
You are kidding yourself. Name some details of decay you think I am missing?The link explains how readio dating works and why it is accurate. Since you onbviously are ignorant of those, You need to learn the basics before we can discuss anything else.
That is what science says. However, they need more.In other words, you are saying, "If you assume what I am assuming, you will reach the same conclusion as me, which is a different conclusion to the one you will reach if you don't assume the things I am assuming."
No stuff exists or is used or was used or ever will be used from a same state past. Relax. Zip. Nada. None at all. Not a speck. Not a shred.Well, I'm happy for you. But until you can give me an actual reason to assume the same things as you (y'know, something with this evidence stuff), I'm going to go with the thousands of people worldwide who actually use this stuff to produce results.
The viewpoints of science are what need to be looked at here. Biblical beliefs are beyond anyone's ability to deny.
Give us some point from your link...not that you understand it
No model of a same state past is used...just imagined.
None exist that do anything. What works is present state laws and knowledge. The rest is imaginary.
If a witness is caught lying the testimony is suspect.
Where? Here...or in deep time and space?
Yes, of course. It is perhaps right in this earth sphere and state. It is relative only to the box here!Cute, but useless in discussing anything beyond our laws.
Since all science does is impose a biased belief based coloring on pieces, no piece will prove that science is wrong. It's bigger than that
It fits God's word and all evidences we do have. Science has nothing it can say against it.
You are kidding yourself. Name some details of decay you think I am missing?
That is what science says. However, they need more.
No stuff exists or is used or was used or ever will be used from a same state past. Relax. Zip. Nada. None at all. Not a speck. Not a shred.
We can evidence that here and now...just try to list something we use from the same state past!
Why?Biblical beliefs are beyond anyone's ability to deny.
Because no one can deny Peter walked on water, can they, or anything else. You weren't there.Why?
Empirical is for suckers. Real proof is much better. Witnesses saw stuff. Not like they could make it up, some family member or etc would have busted em.....'gee Mary never really had a baby...' etc.In other words, you read it in the Bible and you really really believe it, despite there being no method by which to empirically verify it.
If you get to where you understand something....tell us bout it.You have made it clear that you don't understand these things either. I'm not going to do your homework for you.
No, it allows us to see how they NOW decay.The model of radioactive decay doesn't do anything - except allow us to determine the ages of rocks.
Have you ever told a lie? yes? Then I declare all your claims made in this thread to be suspect!
Nicely explained by Mother Goose too? You need more.What we see locally and what we see in the depths of the universe are both nicely explained by the same theory of gravity.
It doesn't. That is just all you ever tasted.Despite the fact that it makes perfect sense when applied to things in deep space?
Example?if it's wrong, why does it make perfect sense?
I am saying that if it is right, you need some evidence.So you are saying that it is wrong, but you can't show that it is wrong.
So if our "wrong" science is indistinguishable from what is right, what difference does it make?
How it looks when tarred with a same state brush is not the only factor in life. Really.And if they both look the same, is there a difference at all? And if there's no difference, why the kerfuffle about the whole thing?
Since I don't know, maybe what I am doing is shaking things up, to see what can stand?AH! Here we go! You are simply trying to fit the evidence into the conclusions you have already decided upon!
To know how the universe works the bible is required! That is why science is totally wrong.So you do not look at the universe to find out how it works. You look at the Bible to find out how the universe works, and if anything from reality contradicts the Bible, you must find a way to force the pieces together.
NO claims about the state of the past are. The objects in this state that you think make up objective reality are no platform to infinity and beyond after all. get over it.So your claim that the laws of nature were different in the past is NOT based on observation or knowledge. it is based on your stubbornness and refusal to change your mind in the face of evidence.
Why alter them if there was no rate or decay? That is like tinkering IN the fishbowl.The fact that there's no mechanism to alter the decay rates?
They all agree.No. You just decide they need more because they aren't agreeing with you.
Repeating it won't make it true.We use billion year old igneous rocks to date fossils.
Because no one can deny Peter walked on water, can they, or anything else. You weren't there.
Because no one can deny Peter walked on water, can they, or anything else. You weren't there.
Empirical is for suckers. Real proof is much better. Witnesses saw stuff. Not like they could make it up, some family member or etc would have busted em.....'gee Mary never really had a baby...' etc.
If you get to where you understand something....tell us bout it.
No, it allows us to see how they NOW decay.
I agree. But they ain't exactly the bible!
Nicely explained by Mother Goose too? You need more.
It doesn't. That is just all you ever tasted.
Example?What, a speck sized universe makes sense??
I am saying that if it is right, you need some evidence.
Well, when that wrong blurry nonsense waves off actual creation...we have a problem.
How it looks when tarred with a same state brush is not the only factor in life. Really.
Since I don't know, maybe what I am doing is shaking things up, to see what can stand?
To know how the universe works the bible is required! That is why science is totally wrong.
NO claims about the state of the past are. The objects in this state that you think make up objective reality are no platform to infinity and beyond after all. get over it.
Why alter them if there was no rate or decay? That is like tinkering IN the fishbowl.
They all agree.
Repeating it won't make it true.
YesDoes it really need explaining to you just how stupid that reasoning is?
Right, it can't. Not in a way that is based in evidence and knowledge. Exclude yourself from that all you like. I doubt it surprises anyone here. And if you do have proof Peter never walked on water let us see it now. Simple.Sure I can. It didn't happen. Done. I thought you said it couldn't be done.
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