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<blockquote data-quote="Look Up" data-source="post: 70769136" data-attributes="member: 265819"><p>Again your representation of my position seems close. Difficulties remain at my end, making such representations as you attempt a challenge. In relating the Mosaic laws to the Christian, I feel most comfortable where there is clear direction from Jesus or the apostolic record (by which I mean to include the NT canon, some of which was written by apostolic entourage or proteges like Luke and Mark). And confessionally, I would say that is sufficient to know how to please God (cf. 2 Tim. 3:16f), in company with the church and in the power of the Holy Spirit--that even though there are aspects to the law (esp. its demands) which are not specifically discussed in the NT (ceremonial in one sense or another or otherwise). Christian ethics at root are centered in the Son of God (the Jew Jesus), even if mediated through His apostles (and foreshadowed in the OT): "For where there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well" (Heb. 7:12). </p><p></p><p>I also feel confident suggesting as I wrote above that the tripartite breakdown to the law (moral, civil, ceremonial) is NOT a NT-sponsored hermeneutical grid for determining what in the law applies to Christians (and what does not) however useful it may seem in places. Nor for that matter am I persuaded that love determines what to obey and what not to obey. For one thing, how does one love God and neighbor without appeal to specific moral principles such as those found in the Ten Commandments or Golden Rule? Love in the sense I am talking about is not so amorphous, so without content. One can of course not lie, not steal, not commit adultery and so on for self-centered or evil reasons or motives, especially if one lives in a society that affirms or rewards such behavior (as it may appear outwardly to us humans). Love is then a priority within (all) law (as well as an obligation of itself). But love in itself does not determine which demands or implications in the law of Moses ought to apply to the Christian (contra the claims of some).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Look Up, post: 70769136, member: 265819"] Again your representation of my position seems close. Difficulties remain at my end, making such representations as you attempt a challenge. In relating the Mosaic laws to the Christian, I feel most comfortable where there is clear direction from Jesus or the apostolic record (by which I mean to include the NT canon, some of which was written by apostolic entourage or proteges like Luke and Mark). And confessionally, I would say that is sufficient to know how to please God (cf. 2 Tim. 3:16f), in company with the church and in the power of the Holy Spirit--that even though there are aspects to the law (esp. its demands) which are not specifically discussed in the NT (ceremonial in one sense or another or otherwise). Christian ethics at root are centered in the Son of God (the Jew Jesus), even if mediated through His apostles (and foreshadowed in the OT): "For where there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well" (Heb. 7:12). I also feel confident suggesting as I wrote above that the tripartite breakdown to the law (moral, civil, ceremonial) is NOT a NT-sponsored hermeneutical grid for determining what in the law applies to Christians (and what does not) however useful it may seem in places. Nor for that matter am I persuaded that love determines what to obey and what not to obey. For one thing, how does one love God and neighbor without appeal to specific moral principles such as those found in the Ten Commandments or Golden Rule? Love in the sense I am talking about is not so amorphous, so without content. One can of course not lie, not steal, not commit adultery and so on for self-centered or evil reasons or motives, especially if one lives in a society that affirms or rewards such behavior (as it may appear outwardly to us humans). Love is then a priority within (all) law (as well as an obligation of itself). But love in itself does not determine which demands or implications in the law of Moses ought to apply to the Christian (contra the claims of some). [/QUOTE]
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