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The Gentiles have the moral aspect of the law within because they too were made in the image of God. But in that condition God calls them aliens to the commonwelth of Israel and strangers to the covenant of promise. Why would God say that? Because there is a need for them to be grafted in. It's in the grafting in that they learn how to worship the one true God. It is in this grafting that they learn of the first four commandments because they reveal the true desire of God for His people, which is not to be a moral people only but a godly people as well. You can be moral and worship other Gods, use the Lord's name in vain, use statues in worship, forget the Sabbath but you can't be godly without the first four commandments.

As far as Hebrews goes, God uses the seventh day Sabbath to help picture the kingdom of God. The other day that He is referring is medtaphor for the kingdom but it does not do away with the holiness and blessedness of the seventh day now.

-- Simple English
Hebrews 4:9 So, there is a keeping of sabbath still open for God's people.

-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
Hebrews 4:9 There must still be, therefore, a seventh-day rest reserved for God's people,

---Bible in Basic English
Hebrews 4:9 So that there is still a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.

---Douay-Rheims Bible
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a day of rest for the people of God.
 
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Hi Victor. Thank you for addressing the 'sound bite' theology issue used so commonly here. I have had the same experience in another thread by unpacking a whole passage only to be met with avoidance and then individual verses quoted from all over the Bible making the Bible say what it does not actually say.

Anyway, I appreciate your sound use of scripture. It's refreshing to see!

In Christ alone...
 
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Free, that type of approach is usually used by people who believe that those sound bits are "the truth" that others need to hear.... consequently its does more for the user than the "target audience."
 
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Yet you fail to acknowledge that the Gentiles could not be grafted into the Root that is holy (not another branch) until the time the covenant from Sinai had expired, and God established the new covenant when He took away the first one. That was pointed out, and I even suggested you turn to Ephesians 2:11-16 and Galatians 3:10-14 to find that very message.
As far as Hebrews goes, God uses the seventh day Sabbath to help picture the kingdom of God. The other day that He is referring is medtaphor for the kingdom but it does not do away with the holiness and blessedness of the seventh day now.
But you fail to acknowledge that the sabbath didn't exist until nearly the millionth day. The seventh day (not the repeating day of a week) was God's "My rest" that remained as a promise to be attained by a people that had already been under the sabbath for 1500 years. The sabbath didn't attain God's rest for the simple reason it wasn't God's rest - even Jesus pointed out that the sabbath was "made for man" in Mark 2:27, and God did not create anything on the seventh day.

Because you can't turn to a competent translation of the Bible, and you choose to ignore the context Hebrews 4:9 appears in, you miss the obvious that this chapter mentions nothing about a weekly sabbath.

Hebrews 3-4 addresses God's permanent rest that "we who have believed do enter that rest". His rest is eternal, while the temporal rest you chose to abide by expired.
 
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I've been hanging out on the theology forum, until the noise there died down. It's good to see your presence here!!!
Dr Patti is coming to our neighborhood soon - when I get details I will email you. We're both eager to meet you!
 
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I've been hanging out on the theology forum, until the noise there died down. It's good to see your presence here!!!
Dr Patti is coming to our neighborhood soon - when I get details I will email you. We're both eager to meet you!
I am looking forward to it. In the mean time, keep up the sound use of scripture.

In Christ alone...
 
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Free, that type of approach is usually used by people who believe that those sound bits are "the truth" that others need to hear.... consequently its does more for the user than the "target audience."
Especially when the 'target audience' is secured firmly in the One who called himself the way, the TRUTH, and the life.

In Christ alone...
 
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In the mean time, keep up the sound use of scripture.
No more sound bites taken out of context shall be tolerated. Isaiah 28:13 portrays the error of sound-bite theology and the result thereof:
But the word of the LORD was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little," That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught.
 
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I'm not sure how we moved from having a conversation to proving K4C wrong. Not sure this is our greatest moment.
 
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Sorry, but this is not saying you're trying to make it say.
 
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I'm not sure how we moved from having a conversation to proving K4C wrong. Not sure this is our greatest moment.
I didn't think that was the object this thread. The OP was made from a complete misapplication of Stephen's testimony in Acts 7, Adventtruth noted it, I commended him for his observation, and k4c has been trying his best to save face since that event. My concern is that the Biblical text's meaning as recorded by its author should stand for what the author intended.
 
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I understand. And you are capable of being the architect of conversations of a different nature.

Given your ability.
Conversations mutate as they progress; I don't really try to steer them in a particular direction. Surely you've been here long enough that you've seen discussions morph, especially when the OP is abandoned by the person who originated it.
 
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Amen...you just missed it.
Somehow you concluded that this is a weird game of "I'm right, you're not" in your mind.
It isn't.
You have had every opportunity to elucidate on the passage under discussion, and the evidence showing your reluctance to make the smallest effort to do so is indicative that you're blowing hot air.
 
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