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BFA,
You are correct about that phrase which ends in purifying the soul.
Here is the foundation of the thought.
1 Cor 7:19
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. KJV
Gal 5:6
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.KJV
Gal 6:15
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. KJV
The Lord Jesus was included through his witness that the pure in heart would see God.
Two more witnesses through Paul's testimony.
2 Cor 7:1
1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. KJV
Rom 12:2
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. KJV
I believe that the above NT commands are understood in the light of man's natural inability and of the mercy of God's free forgiveness and the free grace of God in and from Jesus Christ to fulfill all his Word to us.
Thus with EGW testimonies concerning the law of God, including the moral law as expressed at Sinai.
The same is true with the apostles John and Peter wherein their witness is grounded in the righteousness of God in Jesus, there are witnesses expressed in terms of our doing and loving and obeying. It is all witnessed as being fulfilled by grace through faith.
30 years past I was having a difficult time with the NT emphasis on works and love and obedience. My soul was ultra sensitive to anything that smelled of human works.
May God give us all to grow in wisdom and grace and in favor with God and man. May the Lord deliver us from those who glory in appearance and from the deceitful workers and those who desire to make a fair shew in the flesh.
May the Lord give us grace, when he calls us, to shave our head for our brothers who are zealous of the law, that they may be blessed. It does appear that EGW was zealous for the law and saw the glory on Moses face as the full glory of God. I still cannot count her as an enemy and curse her. King David felt the same and the sure mercies of God were promised to him. The Shekinah glory, the backside of the Lord, was all that was revealed to King David, and I believe few would be willing to speak with contempt on David though his desire to build the temple opened a door of good and iniquity that is still flooding the world with peace and strife. The Lord does not count our iniquity against us. He does give us repentance.
Some serve faithfully while still in the bondage of the temple service. They still feel bound to go to a building once in a 7 day weekly cycle. Moses is alive and well in ways that would be shocking to many professed evangelicals who are zealous for faith. Most evangelicals have replaced tribulations with more pleasant activities. Like John Mark they will learn to endure hardness as good soldiers of Christ when they are removed from the protection of their professing relatives who still serve the flesh.
Joe
Are the Gentiles justified by law?
I wonder how much of the salvation by works stuff is a result of bad translations.
BFA,I want to make sure I fully understand where you're coming from. Is it your position that Mrs. White was accurate when she wrote that obedience to the law is the condition of eternal life?
BFA
BFA,
Are you speaking of the law of faith or the law of the spirit of life; or are you speaking of the works of the law?
Of which law was she referencing?
Joe
BFA,Since she is referring to that which is holy, just and good, she seems to be referring to "the commandment" described in Romans 7:7-12. However, I suspect that it ultimately does not matter. Whatever it is that she is referring to, according to Mrs. White, the condition of eternal life is "expected of man" just as it was "required of Adam." She is not referring to that which God does and is clearly referring to that which man does. This is a problem no matter how you define law.
I take it from your response that you agree that the law is the condition of eternal life.
BFA
Keep reading Rom2 No man who have heard the gospel will be justified by the law. The Holy Spirit declares that righteousness is by faith apart from the law.Rom 2:14-17
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. KJV
Are the Gentiles justified by law?
Joe
BFA,
The following apostolic testimony witnesses to the dual qualities that are given unto us in Jesus and the eternal life in him.
Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; KJV
Rom 8:17
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. KJV
Joe
BFA,I understand that you value the concept of suffering with him. I value it too, as did Paul. I don't sense a disconnect between us on this subject. Rather, I am hoping to explore in more detail the teaching that the law is a condition of eternal life.
BFA
BFA,
Pure obedience is when we are doing that which is contrary to us, which we do not desire. This is the ministry of grace.
The ministry that we desire is the spotted service of childhood and youth.
Joe
BFA,Pure obedience is not something we achieve.
BFA
visionary,And the last thing to be thrown in the lake of fire ... is death?
Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
visionary,
Rev 20:13-15
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. KJV
Three doctrines, the doctrines of the sea, of death, and of hell deliver up the dead in them.
Some people serve the god of the waters. Some serve the god of fire. Some serve the god of the dead/underworld.
These three doctrines are judged and cast into the "lake" of fire. This is fire that is distinct from the fire that comes down from God out of heaven in Rev.20:9.
Jesus has the keys to hell and death. The key over hell is justification. The key over death is sanctification.
Joe
If Yeshua has victory over death, and we through Him also achieve this victory of both sin and death, then there will be a time when death shall be no more.. cause there is no more sin to cause death... so it is the last thing to be thrown in the lake of fire...visionary,
Rev 20:13-15
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. KJV
Three doctrines, the doctrines of the sea, of death, and of hell deliver up the dead in them.
Some people serve the god of the waters. Some serve the god of fire. Some serve the god of the dead/underworld.
These three doctrines are judged and cast into the "lake" of fire. This is fire that is distinct from the fire that comes down from God out of heaven in Rev.20:9.
Jesus has the keys to hell and death. The key over hell is justification. The key over death is sanctification.
Joe
If Yeshua has victory over death, and we through Him also achieve this victory of both sin and death, then there will be a time when death shall be no more.. cause there is no more sin to cause death... so it is the last thing to be thrown in the lake of fire...our immortality
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