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No need to be so emotional.It might appear that way to you who has a hatred for believers trusting in a perfect Word of God 100%
Sometimes I wonder if you realize how you are shooting yourself in the foot with your posts.
No need to be so emotional.
But I take your response to mean you do not realize that your own arguments are against the KJVO.
One of your wrong conclusions.By your constant bombardment of attacks against a believer holding to a 100% trust in God’s Word (the KJB), it can only be taken as a form of hatred for such a position.
Sure, I do not like "the Hitler argument". From any side.Folks here have already thrown around words like the devil, and hell in relation to this kind of belief. Do you disagree with their use of such words?
A consistent stance. You cannot argue against something in the way that is also possible to apply to your own position and to look consistent instead of strongly biased.What do you have to offer me that is better?
You mean a pure bible print?Do you have a pure Word that you can hold in your hands that you completely trust?
You obviously do not trust them, so nothing.What makes me trust a sea of Modern Bibles?
Of course its not something you are given from day one. You either have to practice the reading in Greek or to rely on experts in the field like you rely on medieval anglican experts.How do I know I have the right original language manuscripts?
How do I know if I am interpreting the original dead languages correctly?
If you have such anxiety, I recommend to leave online discussion forums. If you stay, you must deal with different opinions and views to yours.But you want to take that faith away from me. You want destroy my faith in the Bible (the KJB).
The KJV (NOT"KJB")
You said:has been changed quite a few times. You admit as much by claiming the CE was "refined" (changed) 7 times. As translating becomes more-exact, sometimes a translation must be improved.
Some doctrines may SEEM more-pure to you, but are they more-ACCURATE in the KJV? I showed ya two that are not, in Ex. 20:13 & 1 Tim. 6:10.
You said:And why go to the bother of trying to read 2 translations at once insteada simply using a translation that one can clearly understand? Sometimes your stuff defies logic.
One of your wrong conclusions.
You said:Sure, I do not like "the Hitler argument". From any side.
Show me in the Greek, or show me in the original languages. You know what that sounds like to me? It sounds like the Roman Catholic Church.
This is just one clue that all Modern Bibles are tied to Rome.
But you have chosen your side. I have chosen mine.
Sure, because its silly and because you present it publicly. I do not feel any strong emotions regarding the KJVO, though.This is patently false. You have been attacking my belief in the King James Bible.
I do not read every post.But you never really stood up and said anything.
Of course its not something you are given from day one. You either have to practice the reading in Greek or to rely on experts in the field like you rely on medieval anglican experts.
You said:If you have such anxiety, I recommend to leave online discussion forums. If you stay, you must deal with different opinions and views to yours.
You said:And as almost always, what you say can be applied to you too. You want to destroy the faith of others in non-KJV bibles.
It's got nothing to do with the Roman Catholic church.
So some of your interpretations will not be correct (like they are not correct now and you just do not realize that).Not all scholars agree with each other, and there is no apostle Paul alive to truly tell if I got my Greek correct or not. I would be constantly doubting if my interpretation was true or not because I did not grow up in Bible times speaking that language and writing it when it was among a living culture. I would be guessing at best. Also, relying on scholars or my Pastor reminds me a lot of the Catholic Church in how they say I cannot understand the Bible without their special elite priests in giving me the meaning. I have to rely on their interpretations blindly and just accept it.
Some of your formulations seem quite emotional and influenced by fear. But of course, you know the best what you feel, I just say how it looks like.Who said to that I had anxiety? I didn’t say I had an anxiety. That is something you are imagining that I don’t have.
The answer is to be lead by the Spirit and by a good reason. And to be prepared to change when some new information comes. Not to fanatically accept one specific bible print forever.Not at all because I am giving them the alternative to trust in a pure Word of God (the KJB).
The Bibles are ever changing because our knowledge is growing. For example we have over 6,000 manuscripts today, in medieval ages they had about a dozen. Of course it will change our Greek editions. For better.There is no real trust in the Modern Translation camp because they do not even have the originals and they do not claim any one particular group of manuscripts only being the most pure. Their Bibles are always ever changing and never settle. So the faith always changes ever so slightly. That’s not the kind of faith I have. I have a sure foundation upon God’s Word that does not change. There can be only one Word of God and not many. It’s simple logic.
I have one primary question... Why do the KJVO crowd consider that translation to be the only valid English translation? What is it about a 409-year-old translation of the Bible source texts that KJVOs consider to be such an accurate translation? Aside, of course, from the unsupported claim that somehow those translators were so gifted and/or had access to perfect sources that they alone 1) knew what God actually said (and meant!) in Hebrew/Aramaic/Koine Greek and 2) were able to perfectly express those words/ideas/concepts in the Englyshe of their time (which is not spoken/written any longer)..
Please, read it more carefully. It does not say that the Nestle-Aland (or UBS) text is under the direct supervision of the Vatican.This constantly changing Critical Greek Text is under the direct supervision of the Vatican.
So some of your interpretations will not be correct (like they are not correct now and you just do not realize that).
And what will happen? Nothing serious. Just a normal life in which we grow and do our best. We trust in God and in His leading, no?
Some of your formulations seem quite emotional and influenced by fear. But of course, you know the best what you feel, I just say how it looks like.
The answer is to be lead by the Spirit and by a good reason. And to be prepared to change when some new information comes. Not to fanatically accept one specific bible print forever.
The Bibles are ever changing because our knowledge is growing. For example we have over 6,000 manuscripts today, in medieval ages they had about a dozen. Of course it will change our Greek editions. For better.
Please, read it more carefully. It does not say that the Nestle-Aland (or UBS) text is under the direct supervision of the Vatican.
You are a native English speaker, you should be able to read a longer sentence without such mistake.
So?Okay. Look. A Catholic cardinal was an editor on this 27th edition by Nestle and Aland and this cardinal’s name is the book and you can look up to see if he is a cardinal or not. Just read the WHOLE article to the link. There is other corroborating evidence, as well.
I don't hate the KJV; I hate the false KJVO MYTH. Proving it wrong requires pointing out the deficiencies of the KJV. Again, you show where you got your KJVO myth from by using one of their mantras: "You hate the KJV."I am trying to understand your relentless hatred for the King James Bible. Is it really worth it to attack a Bible that Christians trust? What if certain Christians lose their faith altogether by your attack against God’s Holy Word? Does God call us to continually live our lives in focus on an attack against a particular group of Christians who believe a particular Word of God? Why is that bad to you that they trust wholly in the Holy Bible? What is the end result or goal for these people if you convince them? How will they have changed in following Christ for the better by your efforts? I just don’t see anything positive coming out of your attack of the KJB at all.
No such thing as a "KJB" unless it's a new model Jaguar.I think you are just looking to see mistakes where none exists even if sound explanations are given. You want to see mistakes in the King James Bible. Admit it. It has nothing to do with the verses you are quoting. You are merely fishing to find anything wrong with the KJB because of your own personal reasons. Maybe a King James Only person did you wrong in the past, or maybe you had a bad experience in studying the KJB. I don’t know what that reason is, but something is influencing you on a crusade against the brethren in trusting completely in God’s Word by faith. Does a complete trust in God’s Word upset you?
YOU have claims; I have PROOF.Again, you are limited human being and you are not God. Your knowledge is limited and you can be biased by your own emotions and wrong thinking of what you want to be true. So your claims of what you think is correct is nothing more than…. Claims. You can claim whatever you like…. But the truth will be proven one day in the end by our Lord.
OK, here's some proof for you: All true doctrines of faith/worship are found only in Scripture, either empirically or by clear implication, right? Well, just WHERE IN SCRIPTURE is KJVO found?????????????? If it aint there, it's FALSE, right?I will not even say that against Christians who believe in the OAO (Original Autograph Only) position, or they are a Modern Translation Only Proponent or they are an “Anti-God-Did-Not-Preserve-His-Words-Perfectly-In-Our-World-Language-Today” Type Believer. I don’t see it as a salvation issue in most cases.
Not when the statement against that belief is TRUE, & I just showed you that the statement "Satan invented KJVO" is true.But to speak evil against a believer for having too much faith in a Bible that is the most pure when compared to other Modern Version Bibles is a real low blow in my humble opinion.
What if you are wrong? You could be speaking against God’s people having a 100% trust in God’s Holy Words and calling them evil. What if you are wrong, and you had to explain to the Lord how you were calling that which is good as evil? Do you not believe good Christians cannot be made by a King James Bible? Do you honestly believe that if they switched to following a sea of Modern Bibles that they will be a better Christian in wanting to live more for Christ? Is that what you truly believe? I have heard the stories that those who hold to Modern Bibles are the ones who end up being more liberal and turning away from the faith altogether. I almost lost my faith because of what a Modern Translation scholar said. Is that what you desire for me? To lose my faith in God’s Word altogether? Because it sounds like you are trying to tear down my faith or 100% trust in God’s Word. This is why I see no good in your crusade against those who trust in the Word of God completely (i.e. the KJB).
I am NOT wrong. Unlike KJVOs, I've PROVEN what I said. I've provided FACTS; you've provided opinion & guesswork. You depend upon dubious sources (I. E. Will Kinney's junk) for your KJVO intel; I depend upon Sripture & common sense for mine.
Well, actually, it IS. I showed you that Satan invented KJVO, and he influenced people such as Dr. Wilkinson, a SDA official, personal friend of Ellen White's, to introduce the current KJVO myth to men. And he influences YOU, as is evident by your repetition of the false "Psalm 12:6=7 thingie", which comes straight from his book, & was copied by J. J. Ray, Dr. D. O. Fuller, & other Koppie-Katt KJVO authors.It was not a REAL CHRISTIAN who introduced men to the current KJVO myth, even though some real Christians have come under thrall to it. WHOM DO YOU BELIEVE SUPPLIES THE POWER TO THAT THRALLDOM ???Guilt by association is not always true. Catholics believe in the Trinity, but that does not mean the Trinity is not true just because Catholics believe in it. So nice try. So your pointing out the SDA’s (of whom I strongly disagree with in regards to their keeping the Sabbath, etc.) is not really a valid argument against the King James Bible being the pure Word of God.
I suggest you pray for the HOLY SPIRIT to manifest Himself in you & show you the falsehood of KJVO.
Yes, I do not think your reasons are good and you present facts incompletely or even totally wrongly.Granted, I do not think you will accept these reasons I made with Scripture, though. You seem pretty resistant to anything I bring up.
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