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Why don't we just drop the act and face the fact that Sola Scriptura has a meaning and we can discuss it just like all the other discussions we have here? You can look it up. It's not some mystery or anything of the sort.
But of course doing that would spoil the "Protestants are just soooo divided on everything tsk tsk" game, wouldn't it?
Is there a MOUNTAIN, or a mole hill? I mean, really.Nothing to see here. Really. Honest! Move along.
Let's not only add that, but the fact that there are how many prophecies in the Old Testament that were fulfilled in the future? Etiher someone has ESP or God kenw what was going to happen. Call me cray, zeeWell, I can tell you why I heed the Bible alone; it's because Christ did. All though the four Gospels he quotes the OT, refers people to it, corrects people from it. And he reprimanded the Pharisees for adding their own traditions.
Good, I'm glad you agree with me that Sacred Scripture is inspired by God.It's really not a complicated thing. You either beleive all of the Bible literally, being God-breathed or you do not.
Simplification is not bad. Some make something out to be so complicated what is so simple.
Christmas.Is there a MOUNTAIN, or a mole hill? I mean, really.
But is it really though?How your mind thinks is a mystery.
Part of it being God breathed is linked to its being consequently trustworthy also.It's really not a complicated thing. You either beleive all of the Bible literally, being God-breathed or you do not.
Simplification is not bad. Some make something out to be so complicated what is so simple.
How you came up with "Christmas" as a response to my question, leads me to think so. You do not find that correlation odd?But is it really though?
A bit puzzling, yes.How you came up with "Christmas" as a response to my question, leads me to think so. You do not find that correlation odd?
You're making a mountain out of a molehill a little bit, don't you think?How you came up with "Christmas" as a response to my question, leads me to think so. You do not find that correlation odd?
No. I just stated that I didn't understand your logic. You could have left it at that, but you chose to respond.You're making a mountain out of a molehill a little bit, don't you think?
He castigated their legalism. He also criticized their scrupulosity in following the exact letter of the Law but not adhering to the intended spirit and purpose of the Law.
Beyond that though, the Pharisees and others blithely invented new practices and expected others to live up to them (again, legalism). This is something quite apart from what traditional Christians do. From the Catechism...
Matthew 15 said:Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment[d] of God of no effect by your tradition."
1 Corinthians 4 said:6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
Jude said:3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
Galatians 1:8 said:But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Your interpretations of which are called into question by your admission that the apostles taught orally at least to start.I'd like to haul out three Scriptures to show you where I'm coming from:
Whaaa??The Catechism assumes that the Bible and Tradition will always harmonize. But they differ considerably about how we're saved. Hebrews, for example, says Christ sacrificed himself once for all time, whereas the RCC says our salvation is dispensed little by little, Mass by Mass.
Only certain people.This is what I find alarming about all the differences and additions. We're supposed to venerate & pray to beings other than God
Purgatory is the cleansing of one's personal attachment to earthly desires. For some reason, this gets interpreted (by Protestants) as some kind of substitution for or replacement of Our Lord's sacrifice.we're supposed to believe you have to suffer in Purgatory despite Christ's sacrifice
I gather you don't believe in Purgatory so I don't see why this should be a troubling notion for you.that you can do certain works to reduce your time in Purgatory,
Men are fallible. However, the Pope, for example, is understood to be infallible under certain circumstances. When he invokes the teaching authority inherent to his office, he is speaking infallibly. That is, without risk of error. It's not a permanent condition; when Pope Francis burps, he isn't burping infallibly. Even all or most of his public statements aren't necessarily binding upon the faithful.and that a church, council, or man is "Infallible." Well how do I know they're infallible?
Your interpretations of which are called into question by your admission that the apostles taught orally at least to start.
thecolorsblend said:So you and I agree that the Church carried such authority at least at one time.
I gather you don't believe in Purgatory so I don't see why this should be a troubling notion for you.
Men are fallible.
Further, even Protestants mostly agree that Sacred Scripture must be interpreted. All they really disagree on is who should do the interpreting.
I would add that there is a very salient difference between "veneration" and "worship". Veneration of saints is permissible. Recommend, even. Worship, on the other hand, is for God and nobody else.
This ^ is important to say.How am I misinterpreting them?
Also, as I said, what the apostles taught by word of mouth, they also wrote down, whereas the RCC changed and added new ideas as the years and then centuries went on. This is the very thing Christ disapproved of and that the apostles warned against.
Catholics define Tradition in different ways, often depending on their own preferences and, sometimes, depending upon which argument they think will work best on Protestants.
You pointed to those scriptures concerning Our Lord speaking against the Pharisees' tradition. You go on to acknowledge that oration and Sacred Tradition formed the basis of teaching in the early Church. So either there's a paradoxical conflict between Our Lord's admonition of the Pharisees' tradition and the way the early Church taught... or there's a nuance here that needs to be made between what the Pharisees did and what the Church does today.How am I misinterpreting them?
Such as?the RCC changed and added new ideas as the years and then centuries went on.
I see. But universal literacy arguably still doesn't exist. More people are literate now than ever before but it's by no means universal. And even that is a 20th century innovation.When the apostles died, they took it with them, and there's no basis for believing it got passed along to others. That's one reason why God provided us with the NT.
I mention it only to say that this doctrine shouldn't bother you since you don't believe in Purgatory in the first place.Who says it troubles me? I can bring out other examples if you like.
The gospel message was delivered once for and all to the saints, yes. However, there's more to living the faith than that. For one thing, what does one do to when faced with new questions of morality that was never even envisioned by prophets and apostles when they wrote the scriptures? A living, active teaching authority answers these questions for us Catholics as we move through history.Remember how Jude said it was once for all delivered to us.
Not crucified for us, obviously. But her act of obedience started the dominoes falling for mankind's redemption.If you believe that, then why do you end every post with a quote extolling Mary for rescuing mankind from sin?
Mary was the advocate for sinful Eve? Mary got us out of bondage to death? Excuse me? Was she crucified for us?
Very well said, in my opinion. Honoring Our Lady takes nothing away from Our Lord's singular, perfect sacrifice. Her role and her importance do not somehow diminish Our Lord's role and His importance. The two participate in the same objective (eg, the redemption of the human race) but one's involvement doesn't somehow undermine the other's.Protestant Zero Sum Theology:
There is one pie with only so many pieces in that pie. Its either all Jesus or Jesus has to share slices of that pie with other entities (Pope, Mary, Saints, priests). If the Pope is important, he somehow takes away from
Jesus. If Mary is important, she must be taking something away from Jesus. This is the zero-sum problem. Its all about addition and subtraction: zero sum.
Catholic Participation Theology:
Christ as a Divine Person of the Trinity can use creatures to magnify His power, grace and glory. So its not about addition or subtraction, but about multiplication. The Pope doesnt subtract from Christ. His office participates within Christ. Mary doesnt subtract, instead her soul magnifies theLord.
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