The Illegal Invasion Problem

[honorthesabbath]

I realize that this may be a hot topic of contention among some, but it needs to be addressed in the light of prophecy.

Please understand that this is NOT an attack on the Catholic people, but we must understand the ideologies behind this invasion from Mexico.

These illegals pouring across our borders are being encouraged to so by the powers that be and I believe there is a more sinister motive behind it than just the American Union that Bush and his croonis are advocating. It goes to heart of getting rid of FREE America and the setting up of the 'beast power'.

Here are a few quotes of interest...

The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, ersuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected. In the soon-coming conflict we shall see exemplified the prophet's words: "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and
have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17. CG, 592.

To secure popularity and patronage, legislators will yield to the demand for a Sunday law....
By the
decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. . . .(Keep in mind that the majority of these crossing our borders are Catholic. They have already shown their disrespect for our laws-their loyalty is not to our Constitution--but to the Pope of Rome. They will do HIS will)

If you haven't done so, I would encourage all to read..
Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Charles Chiniquy. In this book he outlines Romes plan for the downfall of Protestant America to make it the Popes America.

With our Supreme Court now 99% Roman Catholic, we have seem that they only intend to play out the plans of whom they are loyal--the pope.

We are very near the end folks, EGW was right on target about her prophecies for this country.

A few other sites of interest...

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty264.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Schwiesow/jim25.htm

During one of the Mexican demonstations in our country--they were holding signs that said "Today we march, tomorrow we VOTE"!! Vote on what? And who give illegal's the RIGHT to vote? Once again, our 'legislators' are committing treason against our nation and people. Who is at the root of this?

It's time to get active friends, EGW even told us to not allow tyranny free reign, we are to do all in our power to stave off satanc influences that would deprive us of our GOD GIVEN Freedoms, especially our RELIGIOUS freedoms.

So what say ye?

 

[Loveaboveall]

I agree completely... Why would illegals end up in places like montana and north dakota. But they are there, just like everywhere else. They are working towards getting a majority rule in every city, county, state. The majority rules in a democracy and that is what they are after.

 

[OntheDL]

The obvious truth is that the protestant countries are historically more prosperous than the catholic countries by design. So you get most people migrate one way seeking better lives.

Abraham Lincoln was quoted in the book 'Fifty years in the church of Rome' saying he didn't tell the American public about the jesuit plot behind the Civil War to avoid turning it into a bloody religious war.

After WWII, president Truman planned to establish diplomatic relation with the Vatican. It caused an uproar. His own Baptist pastor denounced it from the pulpit.

JFK had to answer numerous questions during election about his (catholic) religious believes with regard to our protestant Constitution.

President Reagan and every president since has worked with the pope openly without receiving any public criticism.

We see how the public mindset has been changed/conditioned to accept the cannon laws in the place of the republican constitution.

Patriat Acts, National Security Acts, FEMA executive orders are cannon laws in nature.

Now the works in the legislature is to change our republican form of government to a democratic form of government which a simple 51% majority is needed to change law. The voice of minority can be simply ignored.

This, the Spirit of Prophesy tells us, is the final act before the plagues will fall on the earth.

 

[honorthesabbath]

A BIG amen to that DL--and I'm so glad you brought up the poverty fact among predominately catholic countries. I said this once in Yahoo chat and got lambasted for it--but it IS the sad truth.

Those poor people are held in ignorance of the truth of Gods word and are lead by silly superstition and blind obedience to a man (pope) and any independent thinking is considered heretical.

I DO see this invasion as a sign of prophecy. I never knew how America would someday come to support a sunday law that would so impose tyranny on itself--but I sure can now.
It's called blind ignorant obedience!

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I must stop and pause here. wow this is a secenerio that I have never even considered. hummm, let me chew on it a while.....chewing, chewing, chewing, chewing.... hum. I think there might be something here, but if falls under the law of unintended consequence .

I think the reason the Mexican are coming up here is just plain and simple, The want money it pays better. I think the mexican government is encouraging it is because it effects the mexican economy in a good way.

I don't think there is an evil design by bush, or the mexican government., but I do think you are right about majority rules. if they get the majority there will be problems that is scary. I never thought about it that way. I don't think they will because there are only 12 million illegals in america and only 106 mill mexicans in mexico. I agree there should be no citizenship for these people and no voting rights, residency, but no citizenship.

As far as the ending up in Montana and North Dakota, people go were the jobs are.

 

[DanPev]

I realize that this may be a hot topic of contention among some, but it needs to be addressed in the light of prophecy.

Please understand that this is NOT an attack on the Catholic people, but we must understand the ideologies behind this invasion from Mexico.

These illegals pouring across our borders are being encouraged to so by the powers that be and I believe there is a more sinister motive behind it than just the American Union that Bush and his croonis are advocating. It goes to heart of getting rid of FREE America and the setting up of the 'beast power'.

Here are a few quotes of interest...

The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, ersuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected. In the soon-coming conflict we shall see exemplified the prophet's words: "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and
have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17. CG, 592.

To secure popularity and patronage, legislators will yield to the demand for a Sunday law....
By the
decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. . . .(Keep in mind that the majority of these crossing our borders are Catholic. They have already shown their disrespect for our laws-their loyalty is not to our Constitution--but to the Pope of Rome. They will do HIS will)

If you haven't done so, I would encourage all to read..
Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Charles Chiniquy. In this book he outlines Romes plan for the downfall of Protestant America to make it the Popes America.

With our Supreme Court now 99% Roman Catholic, we have seem that they only intend to play out the plans of whom they are loyal--the pope.

We are very near the end folks, EGW was right on target about her prophecies for this country.

A few other sites of interest...

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty264.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Schwiesow/jim25.htm

During one of the Mexican demonstations in our country--they were holding signs that said "Today we march, tomorrow we VOTE"!! Vote on what? And who give illegal's the RIGHT to vote? Once again, our 'legislators' are committing treason against our nation and people. Who is at the root of this?

It's time to get active friends, EGW even told us to not allow tyranny free reign, we are to do all in our power to stave off satanc influences that would deprive us of our GOD GIVEN Freedoms, especially our RELIGIOUS freedoms.

So what say ye?

Complete hype and speculation. I see this as just another conspiracy theory.

Do you really think that the Catholic church needs to mass migrate people over here so that it can enforce religious legislation? Hello! The religious right is already a HUGE political force. It is already pushing its religious agenda and it is only one small step from moral issues to a sunday law.

The real threat to freedom of conscience right now are the politically active conservative Christians, not some poor Hispanic immigrant searching for the American dream.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Complete hype and speculation. I see this as just another conspiracy theory.

Do you really think that the Catholic church needs to mass migrate people over here so that it can enforce religious legislation? Hello! The religious right is already a HUGE political force. It is already pushing its religious agenda and it is only one small step from moral issues to a sunday law.

The real threat to freedom of conscience right now are the politically active conservative Christians, not some poor Hispanic immigrant searching for the American dream.

Poor Hispanic immigrant?? No--am immigrant is someone who LEGALLY takes the appropriate steps in becoming a LEGAL citizen of a country--not someone who SNEAKS across a nations borders--ILLEGALLY!

Don't you mean Hispanic law breaker?

 

[DanPev]

Let me explain something to you that you probably don't understand, being from the States and all.

The Hispanics who LEGALLY immigrate to the US are the ones who are rich enough to bribe a government official, and pay for all the expenses involved. The Hispanics who immigrate ILLEGALLY are the ones who are hoping to better their poverty-stricken lives. The ones who have only one hope: to come here and work themselves dead in order that their children can have a future.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Let me explain something to you that you probably don't understand, being from the States and all.

The Hispanics who LEGALLY immigrate to the US are the ones who are rich enough to bribe a government official, and pay for all the expenses involved. The Hispanics who immigrate ILLEGALLY are the ones who are hoping to better their poverty-stricken lives. The ones who have only one hope: to come here and work themselves dead in order that their children can have a future.

So you are saying that these 'poor' illegals have every right to violate our laws?

And what about the ones who steal SS#'s--are they deserving of benefits for which they never contributed?

Are you referring to those 'poor' hispanics who flew our flag upside down while displaying the Mexican flag ABOVE the red-white -and blue?

 

[DRL]

I am an American of Mexican descent. Although I still have relatives in Mexico, I am not for giving amnesty and making them all legal. Let them come over like everyone else did by waiting their turn.
I do not believe in any conspiracy theory. It is economics, pure and simple. And Fox , of Mexico, does not want to provide for his own people.
Oh, my parents were born in the USA and so was I. So I am a US citizen.
DRL

 

[SassySDA]

Let me explain something to you that you probably don't understand, being from the States and all.

The Hispanics who LEGALLY immigrate to the US are the ones who are rich enough to bribe a government official, and pay for all the expenses involved. The Hispanics who immigrate ILLEGALLY are the ones who are hoping to better their poverty-stricken lives. The ones who have only one hope: to come here and work themselves dead in order that their children can have a future.

I don't know about that.

We just celebrated in our church, not long ago, one of our hispanic members "birthday" as a LEGAL American Citizen. I know he didn't have the money you speak of and still doesn't. But he did do the work, and he passed his citizenship test, and we were all very proud of him.

I personally have no problem with immigrants and never have. Everyone has a right to try for a better life. But I DO have trouble with those who do nothing to seek LEGAL citizenship.

I guess my biggest pet peeve are those who refuse to learn the English language and to practice it until they can speak it well. I guarantee you, if I found myself in Mexico for whatever reason, I would set to learning the language immediately. I wouldn't expect their country to accomodate my language, and I personally think this country is making a huge mistake by doing that. You want to be an American Citizen then learn the language, study for the test and take it.

If Alberto can do it, I would say it's a safe that just about anyone can.

 

[DanPev]

Ok you're right, I made a huge generalization there. My mom's family was not rich by any means and she migrated legally from Dominican Republic in the 80s as a nurse. So yeah maybe they should try to migrate legally; however I am not going to pass judgement on Illegal Immigrants because I have no idea what their living conditions were before. I have no idea what circumstances led them to having had to cross the border illegally.

I live in the San Juaquin Valley in California. It is a place of agriculture. I LIVE in the middle of almond orchards. I'll tell you something, the only people you see working in the fields are mexicans and hmongs, some legally and some illegally. They are some of the hardest working people I have seen.

 

[annie1speed]

Who are hmongs?

 

[honorthesabbath]

Well--I think we are getting off topic here.

I personally do see a huge connection here with prophecy.

Pev made the comment about the right not needing illegals to do their dirty work, but I disagree. Allow me to explain.

Those poor Hispanics pouring across our borders are ignorant pawns in this game. Yep--they are coming, BY INVITATION, by BIG CORPORATIONS, promising them prosperity. But here's the glitch. Just as Sassy said--they are not learning the language and our government is NOT encouraging them to learn it either--can you guess why?

How easy is it to cheat one out of 'benefits promised' if there is a communication break down. How easy is it to manipulate an entire population into doing your bidding if all they can understand is what they are lead to understand?

Have any of you read the articles I posted in the OP?
Has anyone read Chiniquy's book yet? It's online--you don't even have to buy it.

Brethren, if we as SDA's believe our historic teachings as to whom the beast power is and what it's ultimate goal is--then to deny what is going on with this hispanic invasion is blindness. Rome is behind all of this as sure as I'm sitting here. The Vatican has always hated this country and especially our Constitution which one of the popes called, "that most damable document"--because it put them in their places as just men! Many times Pope John Paul lamented the fact that American catholics were to independent in their thinking about Rome's authority.

Mark my words--this Friday when CONgress passes the amnesty bill--in direct opposition to the majority of Americans--the flood gates will open wide and America will never be the same.

Some writers are calling this mass invasion the "Human Katrina"--a human natural disaster--that can never be remedied. Dark times are very near--are we ready to meet it? I pray we are.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

this is actually a good topic. and look we aren't at each others throats

 

[Adventist Dissident]

DanPev

you must be between Lodi and Fresno some where.

 

[Loveaboveall]

DanPev,

If you read the book Honorthesabbath spoke of "Fifty Years In the Church of Rome" you might rethink your conspiracy theory statement. It was not a theory back in the 1850's. Chiniquys sole purpose in starting a town/church in Illinois was to bring more canadian french catholics to gain more of a presence in that region for POLITICAL purposes. It is just as real today as it was back then. I bet if you asked some of those illegal aliens in Montana why they went to MT they would tell you flat out that the church PAID them to come there. They must be everywhere, not necessarily where the money is!

 

[Adventist Dissident]

DanPev,

If you read the book Honorthesabbath spoke of "Fifty Years In the Church of Rome" you might rethink your conspiracy theory statement. It was not a theory back in the 1850's. Chiniquys sole purpose in starting a town/church in Illinois was to bring more canadian french catholics to gain more of a presence in that region for POLITICAL purposes. It is just as real today as it was back then. I bet if you asked some of those illegal aliens in Montana why they went to MT they would tell you flat out that the church PAID them to come there. They must be everywhere, not necessarily where the money is!

I for one don't like the catholic chruch. I have read Chiniquys book, but I don't think it will ever happen the way you say it does. There are just not enough people to make it happen and they don't have the right to vote, that is a problem with your theroy.

I think the solution is to actually Change our foregin policy towards mexico. The immigration problem could be solved by a plan I call the....

...."Mexico Bloom Project"
Immigration
1. tighter border security, restricts movement accross boarder. - (short term solution)
a. fence
b. patrols, vehicle and air
c. manpower
d. detention centers

2. document undocumented workers - (mid-range solutions)
a. guest worker program -
b. no track to citizenship.
c. taxation of workers, provides resources to help cover expenses of ailen in america.
d. migrant worker education programs. provide mobile education schools that follow the migration season. to be done only after taxes are paid.
e. secure money transfers from us to mexico to ensure that money gets to its destination, electronic banking, international ATM, on-line banking.
since mone is the economy it is esential that the money get in the hands of the people to spend.

4. Foregin aid incentives to ..... (long term solutions)
a. develope an unemployment system - to keep the money in them mexican economy moving.
b. basic social welfare system - same as "a"
c. devlope a free press and freedom of information
d. freedom of religon
d. Public works program to help educated Mexican people.
i. mandatory reading level of 12th grade level.
ii. mandatory writing level of 12th grade level.
iii. mandatory mathamatics level of 12th grade.
d. clean water projects. to bring the water to various parts of mexico.
e. devlope a public works program to help build mexican infatrucure. modled on "americorps" and "G.I. Bill"
i. require 2 years of public service in exchange for higher education. can be done through military or civil service corp.

this is what I thing would help solve the problem and help "mexico bloom"

 

[honorthesabbath]

ICE?--And why should we do all that for another soverign nation with as much natural resource as our own?

If Mexicans want a better life (and I don't blame them)-why not protest and march in their OWN country against their OWN government. What gives them the 'right' to come to this country and DEMAND our goverment to give them what belongs to us?

Have you ever read the immigration laws of Mexico? Do you realize that if 20 million American's invaded Mexico and took to the streets DEMANDING welfare from them--that we would be shot on the spot?

You talk about stricter boarder patrols--lol--can you say Compean and Rameros? You remember them don't you? The two border cops who are now in prison, sentenced to 11 and 12 YEARS for doing their jobs in trying to stop a Mexican drug runner coming into here? Oh and by the way--now our Attorney General is going to allow this thug to SUE the USA for 'damages' he claims he suffered from these two men to the tune of 6 MILLION dollars? OUR DOLLARS!

We have immigration laws folks--why is our treasonous President and his goonies not upholding those laws as they PLEDGED to do when they placed their hands of the bible and SWORE to uphold the CONSTITUTION?

Folks--why aren't WE THE PEOPLE in the streets DEMANDING that our leaders do the job we sent them to Washington to do? They have betrayed us.

 

[JonMiller]

Why does there need to be some voting against the laws of our country when our president can just ignore them at his own will? This is a non-issue. I do think that it is possible that laws and actions taken against terrorists now will be taken against religious people (like adventists) in the future. We have lost an awful lot of freedom to this administration, and people just ignore it as long as it isn't their freedom being lost.

JM