The ice age and the flood

cupid dave · Feb 13, 2012

SkyWriting said:
But when you combine "flood" with rain and rainbows and boats it helps to clear up any hallucinations.

The use of the word "flood" to express a massive movement of people is very common in the Bible:

Consider that the actually factual Out of Africa migration 40 thousand years ago would not have been acceptable if told that way we can understand the extinction of other men creatures who lived millions iof years before we appeared.
The whole scientific factual perspective could only be reported as we read the analogy about a Noah and his three sons who clearly represent the three racial stocks from which Modern man has been derived.

The ark that carried all the animals names and visions was inside the skull of Modern Homo sapiens.

But his could never have been presented to people, as we see today, the YEC still will not believe such facts.

SkyWriting · Feb 13, 2012

cupid dave said:
The use of the word "flood" to express a massive movement of people is very common in the Bible:

But when you combine "flood" with floodwaters, rain and rainbows and boats it helps to clear up any such hallucinations.

http://bible.cc/genesis/7-8.htm

http://bible.cc/genesis/7-9.htm

http://bible.cc/genesis/7-10.htm

http://bible.cc/genesis/7-11.htm

You have to think of the audience doing the reading for the past 2000 years.
We don't want to confuse them too much with conclusions you came to last week.

Huram Abi · Feb 13, 2012

cupid dave said:
The use of the word "flood" to express a massive movement of people is very common in the Bible:

Let's put this to rest.

What does Jesus say about the flood?

Mat 24: 37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

And Peter?

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

And again...

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved the eight of Noah, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

These weren't apish hominids, Cupid. They weren't a species. These were modern humans who were married and given in marriage.

Moreover, it says clearly that the flood took ALL AWAY and that only 8 SOULS remained, which is the opposite of your claim that humans filled the earth "even to the mountaintops."

Keachian · Feb 13, 2012

Huram Abi said:
Let's put this to rest.

What does Jesus say about the flood?

Mat 24: 37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

And Peter?

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

And again...

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved the eight of Noah, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

These weren't apish hominids, Cupid. They weren't a species. These were modern humans who were married and given in marriage.

Moreover, it says clearly that the flood took ALL AWAY and that only 8 SOULS remained, which is the opposite of your claim that humans filled the earth "even to the mountaintops."

In addition to that he misses the fact that there was more than one exodus from Africa.

Huram Abi · Feb 13, 2012

Yep, there's about 110,000 years that he cuts off and pretends that all the sudden, 40,000 years ago hominds left Africa all at once.

dad · Feb 14, 2012

Huram Abi said:
Yep, there's about 110,000 years that he cuts off and pretends that all the sudden, 40,000 years ago hominds left Africa all at once.

I have to agree that an imaginary 40,000 years is as bad as an imaginary 110,000 years. If any man went to or left Africa is was after the flood. Probably about 4500 years ago. Perhaps you should be careful what thread you toss around your unsupportable imaginary years. They won't fly here.

Huram Abi · Feb 14, 2012

I didn't draw my number out of a hat. There are plenty of people that know exactly what I am talking about.

dad · Feb 15, 2012

Huram Abi said:
I didn't draw my number out of a hat. There are plenty of people that know exactly what I am talking about.

No. Not a one. No one knows any such thing. Of course we know what you allude to...nonsense.

Huram Abi · Feb 15, 2012

Just because you don't understand doesn't mean anyone else can't, either.

dad · Feb 15, 2012

Huram Abi said:
Just because you don't understand doesn't mean anyone else can't, either.

Oh I understand all right. I also understand that the dates are wrong and unsupportable. Rubbish.

Huram Abi · Feb 15, 2012

Yes, dad. You have a picture of Einstien for your avatar so you must know more about this than all the scientists in the field. put together! Your inability to count past 6,000 certainly makes your opinion much heavier than years and years and years of study and testing.

It all must have taken place only 4,500 years ago. You're right. Scientists are wrong. Thanks for clearing that up with your unevidenced claims.

Whenever a want a specialist's opinion on anything I will make sure I defer to you before anyone else, oh wise one. Even before checking with the History Channel. You are so smart.

You certainly have setttled it. You must be proud.

dad · Feb 15, 2012

Huram Abi said:
Yes, dad. You have a picture of Einstien for your avatar so you must know more about this than all the scientists in the field.

So if I put a pic of Mickey Mouse, I need to know more than all mice? Come on now, get some perspective, a little pic on a forum is not some official statement. Lighten up. I mean your avatar is of what, Nostradamus? Or some Muslim cleric? Does that mean you know more than all Frenchmen or Arabs?

Your inability to count past 6,000 certainly makes your opinion much heavier than years and years and years of study and testing.

No one tested for more than a few centuries. The so called testing you allude to is looking at say, a rock, and testing how it now works by decaying. The only connection whatsoever with the past is that you prefer to assume that this present is just the same laws and etc as was then. That is not testing, that is bad religion.

It all must have taken place only 4,500 years ago. You're right. Scientists are wrong. Thanks for clearing that up with your unevidenced claims.

Mentioning to you that you cannot toss out fairy tale unevidenced dates as if there was some meaning or reality to them here was not clearing up all science. Try to get a grip. I am making it clear to you, in front of others that you have not and cannot support your godless dream dates here. Period. Really.

dad · Feb 15, 2012

Trulyworried said:
Facts? where are the facts? imaginings are only facts to the people who imagined them, as in, "it is a fact that there are fairies at the bottom of my garden because I have seen them".

A fact is only a fact because it is backed up by evidence, without evidence to support it something can not be a fact.

The fact of the flood was confirmed by Him who raised from the dead. When you can do that, I will look at claims that the flood was not a fact. Until then you do not get to declare what evidence is. Get over it.

Huram Abi · Feb 15, 2012

dad said:
your godless dream dates here. Period. Really.

Godless?

Because they don't agree with YEC?

In that case I'll call your dates dreamed up and godless.

Why? because they don't agree with my world view.

Following your example, I don't have to do more than claim it for it to be true.

AirPo · Feb 15, 2012

Huram Abi said:
Godless?

Because they don't agree with YEC?

In that case I'll call your dates dreamed up and godless.

Why? because they don't agree with my world view.

Following your example, I don't have to do more than claim it for it to be true.

That's the HI theory for you. It's easy to make things up.

cupid dave · Feb 15, 2012

Trulyworried said:
Facts? where are the facts? imaginings are only facts to the people who imagined them, as in, "it is a fact that there are fairies at the bottom of my garden because I have seen them".

A fact is only a fact because it is backed up by evidence, without evidence to support it something can not be a fact.

Hmmm..
Not sure what you.

The idea that Noah's Ark refers to the skull of Noah who survived the extinction of all mankind about 40 thoudsand years ago is more like Literary Criticism than something to be proven.

I can see scripture that supports this interpretation, though.

Is that what you mean?
You want to see the argument that supports interpreting scripture in this case?

cupid dave · Feb 15, 2012

Huram Abi said:
Let's put this to rest.

What does Jesus say about the flood?

Mat 24: 37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

And Peter?

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

And again...

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved the eight of Noah, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

These weren't apish hominids, Cupid. They weren't a species. These were modern humans who were married and given in marriage.

Moreover, it says clearly that the flood took ALL AWAY and that only 8 SOULS remained, which is the opposite of your claim that humans filled the earth "even to the mountaintops."

Thisis all as science explains to us today.
What Jesus and Peter said is right.
Only eight people lived when the other humanoids went extinct, and they "flooded" Out-of-Africa up to the tops of the mountains and around the whole globe.

The Three Racial Stocks that were the sons of just one man who lived 40,0000 years ago has been confirmed by genetic tests that show the Y-chromosome in all of us came for just such a Noah.

What is at issue here is the interpretation of the Flood, meaning as people spreading Out-of-Africa 40,000 years ago, just as science reports.

All those who "flooded" out-of-Africa did have a "Noah" figure in their ancestory according to the recent article in US News, i.e.; "Darwin, new insights into how evolution happens:"

The article confirms that these eight people lived and all men today as then, have "Noah's" Y-chromosome.

Huram Abi · Feb 15, 2012

No it doesn't.

dad · Feb 16, 2012

Huram Abi said:
Godless?

Because they don't agree with YEC?

In that case I'll call your dates dreamed up and godless.

Why? because they don't agree with my world view.

Following your example, I don't have to do more than claim it for it to be true.

Yes, unbiblical. What want to hang your case on real real long days? ..or what? Ho hum. As I said, you cannot support your spouted dates. They are false.

dad · Feb 16, 2012

Trulyworried said:
Then there's nothing left to say, your fantasy will remain just that, your fantasy.

There is no evidence against the flood.

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