The ice age and the flood

dad · Feb 6, 2012

I do not know when or how the ice age started. I suspect that it was at the time of the flood.

Now if oceans of water came up in the founts of the deep, as I mentioned also coming up could have been some materials that would tend to freeze it fast. A modern example might be liquid nitrogen...etc. (of course we do not know what chemicals may have been used in the rapid ice)

In fact this is used to make snow.

"Observe the following snow-making stages:

Water is atomized using high-pressure compressed air
The water arrives at the snow gun and is pushed out the special nozzles at the end of the barrel
Liquid Nitrogen (which freezes at the amazingly low temperature of 196 degrees Celsius) is also passed through the snow gun
The extreme cold of the liquid nitrogen snap freezes the atomized water into powder-like snowflakes.

The secret formula?

One ton of liquid nitrogen + one ton of water = one ton of snow!"

~ Welcome to Snow City Singapore ~

If the ice age happened at the time of the flood or thereabouts, it would have had to be laid down fast. The fountains of the deep bringing up water and in some areas possibly some nitrogen or other chemical combination that resulted in a fast freeze. The founts then could be the 'nozzles' of the great snow making machine..and the layers with dust, and etc in them all rapidly laid down, except for the more recent ones, which would be in a seasonal way as we expect. ??

Any better ideas or some flaw in this concept?

Blayz · Feb 6, 2012

Maybe it was ice nine?
Ice-nine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've been to Snow City.

AV1611VET · Feb 6, 2012

dad said:
I do not know when or how the ice age started. I suspect that it was at the time of the flood.

If the earth was surrounded by a super-thin layer of ice -- say a million miles out -- that refracted infrared energy (heat) around the earth, then when God shattered this canopy and sent it raining to the earth, the earth would then be exposed to direct sunlight, and the climate would change from tropical to polar.

After the Flood, the arctic circle would be at much lower latitudes, until the earth acclimated to its new environment, and the ice receded from its terminal moraine to its present latitude.

This would account for the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Mr Strawberry · Feb 6, 2012

AV1611VET said:
If the earth was surrounded by a super-thin layer of ice -- say a million miles out -- that refracted infrared energy (heat) around the earth, then when God shattered this canopy and sent it raining to the earth, the earth would then be exposed to direct sunlight, and the climate would change from tropical to polar.

After the Flood, the arctic circle would be at much lower latitudes, until the earth acclimated to its new environment, and the ice receded from its terminal moraine to its present latitude.

This would account for the extinction of the dinosaurs.

I shouldn't laugh at dad being teased in this way, but that was quite funny.

AV1611VET · Feb 6, 2012

Mr Strawberry said:
I shouldn't laugh at dad being teased in this way, but that was quite funny.

If I get what dad is saying, all God would have had to do in Noah's time is make sure a pocket of liquid nitrogen was in the path of one of the earth's hydrological eruptions:

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

... and it would have produced massive snowfall at the polar regions.

Keachian · Feb 6, 2012

I think it was magnets dad, you see with your change in state theory, we could easily make the statement that magnets were in fact h2o, or that h2o acted in much the same way that magnets do in this stage, amidoinitrite?

AV1611VET · Feb 6, 2012

Mullist said:
Was this when the flood was starting?

I don't know.

You would have to ask dad.

I don't subscribe to that particular explanation; I vacillate between the Water Canopy explanation, or some giant iceball* from space breaking up in our atmosphere in Noah's time.

* I like to think it was an ice cube, since I like to think God has a sense of humor; however, the Flood wasn't a laughing matter, either.

dad · Feb 6, 2012

AV1611VET said:
If the earth was surrounded by a super-thin layer of ice -- say a million miles out -- that refracted infrared energy (heat) around the earth, then when God shattered this canopy and sent it raining to the earth, the earth would then be exposed to direct sunlight, and the climate would change from tropical to polar.

After the Flood, the arctic circle would be at much lower latitudes, until the earth acclimated to its new environment, and the ice receded from its terminal moraine to its present latitude.

This would account for the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Not bad. However I have talked to some guys over at another forum some years ago, and they seemed to demolish that sort of idea. My own feeling is that the long ages we had could not have been due to any filtering of the sun or 'cobalt' rays etc etc. Either though a water vapor or layer or ice, or partial canopy. One way to test this would be to live in a deep cave all one's life. If anything, I doubt one would live any longer, probably shorter.

Then there is the problem of the layers and stuff in the ice. How could any single sudden deposit of water also cause layering? That needs to fit in the mix too I guess.

But hey I guess we need to look at all ideas.

Another thing I wonder about is the claim that there was ice in the way of poles, etc etc in deep history. I haven't seen anyone begin to prove that yet, so I guess the timing of a near flood time start is easy.

dad · Feb 6, 2012

progmonk said:
I think it was magnets dad, you see with your change in state theory, we could easily make the statement that magnets were in fact h2o, or that h2o acted in much the same way that magnets do in this stage, amidoinitrite?

Well one known factor is that there were many magnetic reversals and activity around that time, or if we want to look at real time, I would guess maybe not more than a century and a bit after the flood. How magnetism may have contributed, I don't know. I can't see how it was a major player. But hey, if anyone has evidence that warrants considering that force we can look at it.

dad · Feb 6, 2012

Blayz said:
Maybe it was ice nine?
Ice-nine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've been to Snow City.

Interesting fiction. We also should remember that the ice age was within the former state. So, the properties of thermodynamics, and phase changes and etc would not need to be the same.

Split Rock · Feb 6, 2012

dad said:
I do not know when or how the ice age started. I suspect that it was at the time of the flood.

Now if oceans of water came up in the founts of the deep, as I mentioned also coming up could have been some materials that would tend to freeze it fast. A modern example might be liquid nitrogen...etc. (of course we do not know what chemicals may have been used in the rapid ice)

In fact this is used to make snow.

"Observe the following snow-making stages:

Water is atomized using high-pressure compressed air

The water arrives at the snow gun and is pushed out the special nozzles at the end of the barrel

Liquid Nitrogen (which freezes at the amazingly low temperature of –196 degrees Celsius) is also passed through the snow gun

The extreme cold of the liquid nitrogen snap freezes the atomized water into powder-like snowflakes.

The secret formula?

One ton of liquid nitrogen + one ton of water = one ton of snow!"

~ Welcome to Snow City Singapore ~

If the ice age happened at the time of the flood or thereabouts, it would have had to be laid down fast. The fountains of the deep bringing up water and in some areas possibly some nitrogen or other chemical combination that resulted in a fast freeze. The founts then could be the 'nozzles' of the great snow making machine..and the layers with dust, and etc in them all rapidly laid down, except for the more recent ones, which would be in a seasonal way as we expect. ??

Any better ideas or some flaw in this concept?

Thanks, dad... this gave me a good laugh!

Liquid nitrogen, huh? Sure... why not? Liquified nitrogen is always associated with planet cores that are both physical and spirtual... so, that fits in quite well. It also fits in with my Angels-in-the-Core theory. You see, it was the angels who made the liquid nitrogen, in a giant subterranean liquid nitrogen factory, that god used to make it snow after The Flood.

Yep... must better than so-called in-the-box godless science.

selfinflikted · Feb 6, 2012

progmonk said:
I think it was magnets dad, you see with your change in state theory, we could easily make the statement that magnets were in fact h2o, or that h2o acted in much the same way that magnets do in this stage, amidoinitrite?

justritealsolol

dad · Feb 7, 2012

Split Rock said:
Thanks, dad... this gave me a good laugh!

Liquid nitrogen, huh? Sure... why not? Liquified nitrogen is always associated with planet cores that are both physical and spirtual... so, that fits in quite well. It also fits in with my Angels-in-the-Core theory. You see, it was the angels who made the liquid nitrogen, in a giant subterranean liquid nitrogen factory, that god used to make it snow after The Flood.

Yep... must better than so-called in-the-box godless science.

Whether it was nitrogen, or hydrogen, or other mixes doesn't matter. Perhaps we should look at the evidence. I recall RickG saying something I think, about electric transference or some such in ice cores. The idea is that the material results in being a measurable charge or something. Now if the trace materials that caused the effect were, for example nitrogen, well, I might consider that possible evidence Of course as I said I don't know the exact details...yet. I would like to crack the ice age case though. The evidence is mounting.

CabVet · Feb 7, 2012

AV1611VET said:
I don't know.

You would have to ask dad.

I don't subscribe to that particular explanation; I vacillate between the Water Canopy explanation, or some giant iceball* from space breaking up in our atmosphere in Noah's time.

* I like to think it was an ice cube, since I like to think God has a sense of humor; however, the Flood wasn't a laughing matter, either.

I wonder why look for scientific explanations, at all.

CabVet · Feb 7, 2012

dad said:
Interesting fiction. We also should remember that the ice age was within the former state. So, the properties of thermodynamics, and phase changes and etc would not need to be the same.

And by "former state" you mean imaginary state based on no evidence, right? Why aren't you satisfied with just a "God did it" explanation? I mean, why try to twist science so badly?

dad · Feb 7, 2012

CabVet said:
And by "former state" you mean imaginary state based on no evidence, right? Why aren't you satisfied with just a "God did it" explanation? I mean, why try to twist science so badly?

I prefer to look at the claims of science and see where they fail, and be able to know the truth. The bible is not imaginary, and the people in it were largely known. The records were sacredly carried down. When it talks of the beginning and shows a world that could not be under present laws, smart people take notice. Science cannot prove that this present set of laws existed in the past either. So it is a win/win for the good guys.

Now, one of the MAIN pillars of ice core dating is apparently ' the ratio of 18O to 16O'. Now, I notice that the one is found more in water...the oceans.

"Water in the oceans contains primarily oxygen with an atomic weight of 16 (16O, oxygen-16)."
http://www.gisp2.sr.unh.edu/MoreInfo/Ice_Cores_Past.html

So, in the time of the flood, a lot of water was around! In a scenario where some was being cooled very fast near the founts of the deep, we could have times when water also was coming then freezing, then...etc? That means layers and a mix of these isotopes we find.

Davian · Feb 7, 2012

AV1611VET said:
If the earth was surrounded by a super-thin layer of ice -- say a million miles out -- that refracted infrared energy (heat) around the earth, then when God shattered this canopy and sent it raining to the earth, the earth would then be exposed to direct sunlight, and the climate would change from tropical to polar.

After the Flood, the arctic circle would be at much lower latitudes, until the earth acclimated to its new environment, and the ice receded from its terminal moraine to its present latitude.

This would account for the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Are you trying to do science, AV?

The latitude of the arctic circle is based on the obliquity of the Earth to its orbital plane, and has nothing to do with the "terminal moraine" of the arctic (or antartic) ice.

But I am sure that Cupid Dave will be here shortly to show us where this was detailed in the bible.

Herman Hedning · Feb 7, 2012

And apart from the extraordinary methods of using planet sized snow cannons to get "the ice age" rolling, I suppose dad's former state also made the several ice ages and many glaciations into a single snow cannon age. Amazing what a little imagination can do for you!

dad · Feb 7, 2012

Herman Hedning said:
And apart from the extraordinary methods of using planet sized snow cannons to get "the ice age" rolling, I suppose dad's former state also made the several ice ages and many glaciations into a single snow cannon age. Amazing what a little imagination can do for you!

Well, the multiple ice age business is another matter. The basis for that.....well, you want to bring it up, if you know? Pretty lame.

Now, I suppose to be fair, I should raise the possibility that the great wind from space from God that helped the waters recede, may have (also?) been terribly cold, and...well you know

AV1611VET · Feb 7, 2012

CabVet said:
I wonder why look for scientific explanations, at all.

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