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Every version that i looked had something clearly in the lines of homosexuality in them.
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As you probably know, we don't really know what he word they translate as "homosexual" meant. The ESV translators have made a guess.
Rom_10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?The gospel is preached in the world. The word of God for the training of the righteous is preached in the church. The church is NOT the place of evangelism but is the place of discipleship of BELIEVERS.
Read my blog post here about the church. It will explain a lot of what we have mistaken in our day:
https://www.christianforums.com/blogs/the-church-doesnt-justify-the-ministry.58625/
That's correct. Like most in the Methodist and Presbyterian churches, I normally accept the conclusions of medical and social science research. But even if I didn't, Christian gays are simply not in the situation described in Rom 1, nor does your view take account of the overall argument in Romans. You can't just take isolated sentences out of context and use them as weapons. That's not what the authority of Scripture means. It means taking seriously what the author was actually trying to say.
The people God says were turned over to a reprobate mind were pagans. That's the whole point of that section of Romans. Paul spoke of it as a consequence of idolatry. To my knowledge this did actually happen. I'm sure there were fine married couples, but Roman orgies as described in Rom 1 certainly did occur. Christian gays are not idolaters, and thus wouldn't have been turned over to a reprobate mind as described in Rom 1.That is not what God says. They were already getting involved mentally and God turned them over to a reprobate mind. He didn't create them that way. They dwelt on the sin.
Tell that to Jesus.I'm guessing this has been quoted already, but twice won't hurt:
1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Willful sin is rebellion... when I say "sin is sin" I am saying that God doesn't place more weight on murder than He does stealing, or more weight on adultery than He does making idols. All are wrong in His eyes... and save for blaspheming the Holy Spirit, all are forgivable. So to single out homosexuality (which again, IS a sin) and elevate it above adultery (which a pastor might take part in and is also sin) is wrong... both are wrong.and @Ken Rank.
The Bible doesn't say "sin is sin." To God, who has the final say so, there are sins that are willful, and sins that are transgressions which are unintentional.
No, but I have personally seen many who have given a pastor 4 or 5 chances after he sleeps with women not his wife... so we just let that go on and pounce on the homosexual like he just committed the unpardonable sin? The goal is the walk in and speak what is RIGHT... not be a legalist who stands there pointing out where everyone else is wrong. Usually those people are the ones who spend time trying to remove tooth picks from the eyes of some while they themselves have 2 X 4's hanging from their own eyes.Because some people advocates for this sin, they publicly promote it. Of which the Church has to publicly denounce it. I have never seen anyone advocate for getting drunk and beating his wife.
The passage you quoted doesn't apply unless it actually is sexual immorality.Then you are saying we *should* keep company with those people?
The passage you quoted doesn't apply unless it actually is sexual immorality.
Yes. You might want to review the last few pages.Then you are saying homosexuality is not immoral?
Good for Spiritualized. Cardinals can't hit.Spiritualized is now a Christian! Yay !!
Wow - I take a nap and he's gone from Agnostic to Christian -
and the Rangers were ahead of the Red Sox!! (That didn't last long, though)
The differences in opinion in this thread make me tend to think some kind of a split is inevitable.
There are Methodists who wish to be gay-accepting, to whom a decision in 2019 to NOT accept them would make them uncomfortable in their denomination.
There are Methodists who do NOT want gays accepted in the denomination, to whom a contrary decision would make them uncomfortable in their denomination.
The ironic thing is that in the past, the Methodist Episcopal Church South split off because of slavery -- and their position was technically biblical (slavery condoned in the Bible) -- but eventually slavery became unacceptable to the CULTURE. After that, Methodists eventually became the UNITED Methodist Church (in late sixties).
Now the CULTURE is forcing a hard look at the biblical standard against homosexuality, discussing whether the prohibitions were aimed more at Temple homosexual Prostitution, yet not all of them are designated such...
Yes. You might want to review the last few pages.
Wow! Major assumption! He wasn't promoting any sin!
Willful sin is rebellion... when I say "sin is sin" I am saying that God doesn't place more weight on murder than He does stealing, or more weight on adultery than He does making idols. All are wrong in His eyes... and save for blaspheming the Holy Spirit, all are forgivable. So to single out homosexuality (which again, IS a sin) and elevate it above adultery (which a pastor might take part in and is also sin) is wrong... both are wrong.
Yes. You might want to review the last few pages.
The people God says were turned over to a reprobate mind were pagans. That's the whole point of that section of Romans. Paul spoke of it as a consequence of idolatry. To my knowledge this did actually happen. I'm sure there were fine married couples, but Roman orgies as described in Rom 1 certainly did occur. Christian gays are not idolaters, and thus wouldn't have been turned over to a reprobate mind as described in Rom 1.
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