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<blockquote data-quote="grmorton" data-source="post: 52769862" data-attributes="member: 85112"><p>Because you are not talking about physics. You are talking about distributions. Cold fronts have strong temperature gradients. If your answer doesn't include the word 'gradient' then you can't possibly be answering the question I asked.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Yes, a 20 degree difference in temperature over 18 miles indicates a HUGE error in the thermometer record. One or the other of the two towns is WRONG in its temperature. When these errors are so large that they make no physical sense, then one has to ask the question whether or not one is actually achieving the goal of accurately measuring the temperature. </p><p> </p><p>I am under the impression that the goal is to accurately measure the temperature is it not? If so, why doesn't someone actually try to figure out why 25% of the days have impossibly large temperature differences?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No doubt, cold fronts goe through these two towns. But on 1 out of 4 days???? Are you serious?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well if the error is greater than the purported warming you are in the silly position of saying that the world has warmed .84 +/- 4.07 degrees. Meaning, that it might have cooled by 3 degrees or warmed by 5. With errors like this, no one can know if the two cities have experienced global warming. In other words, the thermometer record is crap.</p><p> </p><p>4.07 happens to be the standard deviation of the delta temperature between these two towns. On the vast vast majority of days, the average temperatures should be almost the same, not 4 degrees different or evern 20 degrees different.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Remember to get that much temperature difference, the front must stall out IN BETWEEN the two towns for the whole day. That isn't going to happen more than about once every 10 years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="grmorton, post: 52769862, member: 85112"] Because you are not talking about physics. You are talking about distributions. Cold fronts have strong temperature gradients. If your answer doesn't include the word 'gradient' then you can't possibly be answering the question I asked. Yes, a 20 degree difference in temperature over 18 miles indicates a HUGE error in the thermometer record. One or the other of the two towns is WRONG in its temperature. When these errors are so large that they make no physical sense, then one has to ask the question whether or not one is actually achieving the goal of accurately measuring the temperature. I am under the impression that the goal is to accurately measure the temperature is it not? If so, why doesn't someone actually try to figure out why 25% of the days have impossibly large temperature differences? No doubt, cold fronts goe through these two towns. But on 1 out of 4 days???? Are you serious? Well if the error is greater than the purported warming you are in the silly position of saying that the world has warmed .84 +/- 4.07 degrees. Meaning, that it might have cooled by 3 degrees or warmed by 5. With errors like this, no one can know if the two cities have experienced global warming. In other words, the thermometer record is crap. 4.07 happens to be the standard deviation of the delta temperature between these two towns. On the vast vast majority of days, the average temperatures should be almost the same, not 4 degrees different or evern 20 degrees different. Remember to get that much temperature difference, the front must stall out IN BETWEEN the two towns for the whole day. That isn't going to happen more than about once every 10 years. [/QUOTE]
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