The Holocaust Never Happened

[ThankGodforGod]

Disclaimer: In neither video does the subject turn towards anti-religion. He actually says in the beginning that he has "done that book and got the T-shirt".

YouTube - Richard Dawkins: Creationists Are Like Holocaust Deniers

Whole video (much better):

FORA.tv - Richard Dawkins: The Greatest Show on Earth


I have been saying for years that there is no difference between a creationist and a holocaust denier and since being here I have even found a few who reject both.

 

[random325nicaea]

"since being here I have even found a few who reject both."

by which you mean evolution and the holocaust?

 

[DaisyDay]

"since being here I have even found a few who reject both."

by which you mean evolution and the holocaust?

That's how I read the statement; the other way doesn't make sense.

 

[Cabal]

Ehhh...personally I think he should stick to his languages analogy. It's a better analogy and makes the point without running the same risk of alienating people further.

 

[Wedjat]

I'm of the general opinion that Dawkins is overly blunt and kind of a jerk. But he's an overly blunt jerk that I agree with.

 

[Split Rock]

I'm of the general opinion that Dawkins is overly blunt and kind of a jerk. But he's an overly blunt jerk that I agree with.

True enough... but I agree he makes a very good point in the video.

 

[marlowe007]

Can't Dawkins think of anything original to say? This poorly made analogy had already been proposed in Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things.

 

[Split Rock]

Can't Dawkins think of anything original to say? This poorly made analogy had already been proposed in Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things.

Tell us why you think it is a poor analogy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who is this Richard Dawkins that everyone seems to like on Youtube?

Is he a Christian, a Jew, or a gentile?

 

[marlowe007]

Tell us why you think it is a poor analogy.

Because it's paradoxically ironic in light of the fact that most Holocaust deniers (erm, Bobby Fischer was one) usually equate the Holocaust with creationism itself, seeing them both as Jewish religious mythologies. Moreover, there are no creationists in jail because of their views about biology.

Incidentally, there's far more documented evidence for the Holocaust than for macroevolution:

Goebbels diaries, March 27, 1942
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labour.

 

[laconicstudent]

Who is this Richard Dawkins that everyone seems to like on Youtube?

Is he a Christian, a Jew, or a gentile?

AV, Dawkins is a famous British Biologist and an Atheist. He's written quite a few books, and rather had an interview of him put in Expelled in which they misconstrued some of his statements as supporting Panspermia.

He's a pretty interesting biologist, but he tends to be rather abrasive and annoying with his promotion of atheism. He does some debating.

 

[Split Rock]

Because it's paradoxically ironic in light of the fact that most Holocaust deniers (erm, Bobby Fischer was one) usually equate the Holocaust with creationism itself, seeing them both as Jewish religious mythologies. Moreover, there are no creationists in jail because of their views about biology.

Are there holocast deniers in jail because of their views?

Incidentally, there's far more documented evidence for the Holocaust than for macroevolution:

Obviously there are different types of evidence for an historical event and a biological event. This doesn't mean one is convincing and another is not. In fact, the type of documentary evidence you used as an example is easily faked. Holocast deniers would indeed make that claim, as such documentation is obviously part of the over-all conspiracy. Just as the documentary evidence for the Moon landings are fake and part of the over-all conspiracy. On the other hand, one cannot fake the similarities we find in the genetic code, or embryology, or comparative anatomy, or biogeography, or the fossil record, etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

On the other hand, one cannot fake the similarities we find in the genetic code, or embryology, or comparative anatomy, or biogeography, or the fossil record, etc.

Are you for or against racial hygiene, and on what grounds?

 

[Split Rock]

Are you for or against racial hygiene, and on what grounds?

What does that have to do with the evidence for evolution? Couldn't come up with a relevant question to boost your post-count?

 

[AV1611VET]

What does that have to do with the evidence for evolution?

Isn't racial hygiene a viable supporting theory of evolution?

(I do not know the answer to this question, myself.)

Couldn't come up with a relevant question to boost your post-count?

I don't need questions to boost my post-count.

 

[Thistlethorn]

Isn't racial hygiene a viable supporting theory of evolution?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

No.

Is it a theory at all?

 

[Thistlethorn]

Is it a theory at all?

I'd say it's a very bad idea. It's a social idea drawing on ideas from biology, mainly horse- and dog-breeding. Popular among the Nazis, but has understandably died out since WWII.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd say it's a very bad idea.

So it breaks down somewhere on the molecular level, making it pseudoscience?

 

[Thistlethorn]

So it breaks down somewhere on the molecular level, making it pseudoscience?

It does break down, but not on the molecular level. Let me explain. It's based on another bad idea that some human tribes are "better" than other human tribes, and there's not evidence indicating this. It has been an idea floating around predominantly among Christian European societies for a couple of hundred years, leading to the extensive colonization of what is now known as the "third world". It was taken to new extremes by a number of political extremists in the early 1900's, and by the Nazis during WWII.

Don't bother trying to spring your trap, AV. It's painfully obvious why you brought this up in the first place. As usual, though, you're fundamentally mistaken and your trap is bust.