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If God is to be Love then Love must be gentle and comfortable and sweet. Love should not be strict or forcible or authoritative.
The prophets were warrior poets—mixing Truth with Honest Indignation, speaking from the mouth of God; as divinely inspired words melted in their minds in visual concept, seeded by the Holy Spirit of wisdom and knowledge and fortitude--All gathered through the suffering of life and death; as combining the two into one, where the search for life is found through the meaning of death.
One must search for life through life rather than death. Hear the mouth of wisdom. When one opens the mouth a fountain of life should pour out. When a fool opens the mouth a fountain of death pours out. But he who becomes a fool and denies himself, it is he who abides in Christ; thus his words become more so the image of life.
The light of Christ is the act of virtue. His mouth was the fountain of knowledge. Those who drink thirst for the knowledge of divine revelations. Hear the mouth of knowledge. When wisdom opens its mouth it contains no judgement. Wisdom speaks in a tongue that is honourable, merciful, compassionate, and without a stammer. It hates human dignities but loves that which is humble.
Wisdom is the eve of the fool. She feeds him the apple and the fool sees it as gold. He bites at its irresistible luster and soon falls in love with his foolishness. Being the fool he finishes the apple becoming spirit and flesh with her. His eyes are opened…to a world of darkness. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Soon his world is painted black by the glory of the heavens. He becomes a light in the cavern of man. He begins to see that every man is a light unto himself; mostly dim but some, though few, as bright stars!
Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the Father's light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light
The fool sees knowledge as the manna of heaven. Wisdom and knwoledge provide for the fortitude of the spirit. The wise man soon becomes bridled to a rock; burdened with a heavy yoke that calls him to spiritual sacrifice. All that are called to serve do in the fortitude of suffering through spiritual sacrifice.
 

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Mocca said:
Is God all-loving?
If God were all-loving then he would love the sight of evil. The good and evil are not separate from eachother. The good and evil dwell together. Because of the excess of mind do people draw wickedness from their thoughts.
In God there is an image of perfection above what is willed by that of man--that which is recognized by man to be of the nature of God. Man's image of God is imperfect. It is evident where the Jews believed that God was an object of jealousy and wrath.
But they fail to see that the prophets were not perfect men before God and therefore, not perfect men in the nature of God or the Word.
They idolized words and related them to Wisdom. Or another way of saying it, They gave qualities to words and related them to Wisdom. Such as the Lion being powerful and majestic. And the sheep being meek and tender. When you place an image in the place of an image then you will see the divine artform of the old testament; and how it is fullfilled in the new testament.

Hebrews 8:
"13": In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
 
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ALL RELIGIONS are ONE [SIZE=-2]t2[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-2]AROepigraph; E1|[/SIZE] The Voice of one crying in the Wilderness

[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] The Argument As the true method of knowledge is experiment
[SIZE=-2]AROargmuent; E1|[/SIZE] the true faculty of knowing must be the faculty which
[SIZE=-2]AROargument; E1|[/SIZE] experiences. This faculty I treat of.
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 1st That the Poetic Genius is the true Man. and that
[SIZE=-2]AROprin1; E1|[/SIZE] the body or outward form of Man is derived from the Poetic
[SIZE=-2]AROprin1; E1|[/SIZE] Genius. Likewise that the forms of all things are derived from
[SIZE=-2]AROprin1; E1|[/SIZE] their Genius. which by the Ancients was call'd an Angel & Spirit
[SIZE=-2]AROpriin1; E1|[/SIZE] & Demon.
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 2d As all men are alike in outward form, So (and
[SIZE=-2]AROprin2; E1|[/SIZE] with the same infinite variety) all are alike in the Poetic
[SIZE=-2]AROprin2; E1|[/SIZE] Genius
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 3d No man can think write or speak from his heart,
[SIZE=-2]AROprin3; E1|[/SIZE] but he must intend truth. Thus all sects of Philosophy are from
[SIZE=-2]AROprin3; E1|[/SIZE] the Poetic Genius adapted to the weaknesses of every
[SIZE=-2]AROprin3; E1|[/SIZE] individual
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 4. As none by traveling over known lands can find out
[SIZE=-2]AROprin4; E1|[/SIZE] the unknown. So from already acquired knowledge Man could not
[SIZE=-2]AROprin4; E1|[/SIZE] acquire more. therefore an universal Poetic Genius exists
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE. 5. The Religions of all Nations are derived from
[SIZE=-2]AROprin5; E1|[/SIZE] each Nations different reception of the Poetic Genius which is
[SIZE=-2]AROprin5; E1|[/SIZE] every where call'd the Spirit of Prophecy.
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 6 The Jewish & Christian Testaments are An original
[SIZE=-2]AROprin6; E1|[/SIZE] derivation from the Poetic Genius. this is necessary from the
[SIZE=-2]AROprin6; E1|[/SIZE] confined nature of bodily sensation

[SIZE=-2]ARO; E2|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 7th As all men are alike (tho' infinitely various) So
[SIZE=-2]AROprin7; E2|[/SIZE] all Religions & as all similars have one source
[SIZE=-2]AROprin7; E2|[/SIZE] The true Man is the source he being the Poetic Genius

--William Blake
http://www.english.uga.edu/nhilton/Blake/blaketxt1/
 
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Species8472 said:
ALL RELIGIONS are ONE [SIZE=-2]t2[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-2]AROepigraph; E1|[/SIZE] The Voice of one crying in the Wilderness

[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] The Argument As the true method of knowledge is experiment
[SIZE=-2]AROargmuent; E1|[/SIZE] the true faculty of knowing must be the faculty which
[SIZE=-2]AROargument; E1|[/SIZE] experiences. This faculty I treat of.
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 1st That the Poetic Genius is the true Man. and that
[SIZE=-2]AROprin1; E1|[/SIZE] the body or outward form of Man is derived from the Poetic
[SIZE=-2]AROprin1; E1|[/SIZE] Genius. Likewise that the forms of all things are derived from
[SIZE=-2]AROprin1; E1|[/SIZE] their Genius. which by the Ancients was call'd an Angel & Spirit
[SIZE=-2]AROpriin1; E1|[/SIZE] & Demon.
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 2d As all men are alike in outward form, So (and
[SIZE=-2]AROprin2; E1|[/SIZE] with the same infinite variety) all are alike in the Poetic
[SIZE=-2]AROprin2; E1|[/SIZE] Genius
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 3d No man can think write or speak from his heart,
[SIZE=-2]AROprin3; E1|[/SIZE] but he must intend truth. Thus all sects of Philosophy are from
[SIZE=-2]AROprin3; E1|[/SIZE] the Poetic Genius adapted to the weaknesses of every
[SIZE=-2]AROprin3; E1|[/SIZE] individual
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 4. As none by traveling over known lands can find out
[SIZE=-2]AROprin4; E1|[/SIZE] the unknown. So from already acquired knowledge Man could not
[SIZE=-2]AROprin4; E1|[/SIZE] acquire more. therefore an universal Poetic Genius exists
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE. 5. The Religions of all Nations are derived from
[SIZE=-2]AROprin5; E1|[/SIZE] each Nations different reception of the Poetic Genius which is
[SIZE=-2]AROprin5; E1|[/SIZE] every where call'd the Spirit of Prophecy.
[SIZE=-2]ARO; E1|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 6 The Jewish & Christian Testaments are An original
[SIZE=-2]AROprin6; E1|[/SIZE] derivation from the Poetic Genius. this is necessary from the
[SIZE=-2]AROprin6; E1|[/SIZE] confined nature of bodily sensation

[SIZE=-2]ARO; E2|[/SIZE] PRINCIPLE 7th As all men are alike (tho' infinitely various) So
[SIZE=-2]AROprin7; E2|[/SIZE] all Religions & as all similars have one source
[SIZE=-2]AROprin7; E2|[/SIZE] The true Man is the source he being the Poetic Genius

--William Blake
http://www.english.uga.edu/nhilton/Blake/blaketxt1/

That is inaccurate. Jesus said: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Do all religions follow Jesus and follow Him? No. Thus, religions are not one and they are not all leading to God and there is only ONE path, and that is only through Jesus.
 
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ottaia said:
Are you comfortable with a major proportion of the world being created just to be tortured for eternity?

Also, what you have said was inaccurate. You are implying that God created folks to be tortured and be lost. That is infact false. Man chose sin and God died for the world to bring life. You either believe that or not. Now man has free will and choices and can choose to accept or reject that salvation.
 
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Lilly of the Valley said:
Also, what you have said was inaccurate. You are implying that God created folks to be tortured and be lost. That is infact false. Man chose sin and God died for the world to bring life. You either believe that or not. Now man has free will and choices and can choose to accept or reject that salvation.
Free will? If you are not following Christ...who are you following? Is that free will?

We make choices...it comes down to what they are based on.

If none know the Father save those he draws to Himself...who initiated the choice? You or God?
 
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I believeth that you believeth that verse. Without checking into the historic context, I can't say. The question would be if Jesus actually saith such things but that would be way off thread. So if you want to start a thread about that then I will converse there.
 
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PapaLandShark said:
Free will? If you are not following Christ...who are you following? Is that free will?

We make choices...it comes down to what they are based on.

If none know the Father save those he draws to Himself...who initiated the choice? You or God?

If you aren't following christ then you are following your own will and going the path satan wants.

Are you saying God doesn't want all to be saved?
 
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Will God save all whom He calls? Yes.
Is there anyone you have known that has died unsaved? I can't speak for you but I can say yes.

If God desires all to be saved, and yet some are not saved, does this mean that God has failed?

If God has not failed then how do we explain this?

If we point to free will and posit that man has the power to deny God's call...We run into some serious issues. Think it through.

If we point to our choice based on our nature ( unregenerate man -vs- regenarate ) we begin to get a clearer picture.

If none are righteous ( no not one ) and none understand...how did we even begin to comprehend our sinful state before God?

Many say "I chose"!

I say, with the above in mind, how could you choose without God starting a work in you ( regeneration ) and the Word to be "preached" to you first?

Now...are we still talking about free will here?

Please bear in mind the debate between the philosophies of Armenianism and Calvinism has drug on for ages. Can either side claim a victory without shutting the other out of the debate? Probably not. And would that be victory? No. Our Victory, those who believe, is in Christ.
 
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