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<blockquote data-quote="Andrew77" data-source="post: 73290154" data-attributes="member: 406955"><p><strong>Stolen? Who's face and institutions are depicted on the currency (and where have I heard that before)?</strong></p><p></p><p>Has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. That's talking about rebelling against the government. No one here is discussing refusing to pay taxes, only the morality of taxes. I know that taxes are theft. I still pay them. I'm not asking you if I should follow the law. We're discussing what the law should be. Keep your red herrings out of the argument. Thanks.</p><p></p><p>By the way... to answer that ignorant question.... it's the faces of the founders of this country which believed that government should be limited, and that income taxes were immoral. Read up on the found fathers, please.</p><p></p><p><strong>In a vacuum; neither.</strong></p><p><strong>Jobs are created when the employer/company can no longer meet the demand on production, not because they have a little extra cash lying around.</strong></p><p></p><p>The restaurant down the street, opened up a second location in another part of town. I've talked to the owner. He did that, because he had enough profits to try it. Not because the demand was so unbelievably high, that he had to have a second location.</p><p></p><p>Steve Jobs didn't invest $10 Million dollars into a startup company, because there was so much demand for it. He invested it because he believed the company could create demand for a product they sold.</p><p></p><p>There was zero demand for computer animated movies in 1986. It wasn't until 1995 when Toy Story came out from Pixar, that Steve Jobs investment became a national success.</p><p></p><p>That is how he created jobs, was Steve was willing to take the risk. A risk he couldn't have taken if his money has been taxed away by filthy thieves in government, and their supporters.</p><p></p><p>If the tax-and-spend left-wing had their way with Steve Jobs money, there would never have been a Pixar producing thousands of jobs.</p><p></p><p><strong>Think about it this way: if you’re a CEO and you have difficulty selling your products profitably now, why would lower taxes make you produce more? Even a 0% tax rate is no help if you lack customers.</strong></p><p></p><p>But you are missing an entire section of the discussion.</p><p></p><p>What is the number one thing you should do as a CEO if you are having a hard time selling your product profitably?</p><p></p><p>Number one thing you should do..... What is it? You invest money into Research and Design, to create a better product... or you invest R&D into improving your current product.</p><p></p><p>And where do you suppose the money comes from, to pay for R&D to make a new product, or improving an existing product? It comes from profits.</p><p></p><p>Even if you say for example, that a CEO might raise the money from investors.... how does the CEO convince investors to fund R&D? Through profits. Can you pay profits taxed away to government, to the investors? No, of course not.</p><p></p><p>Obviously the lower the taxes, the more an investor would be willing to front a troubled company with investment money.</p><p></p><p>Seriously this is very obvious. Why does Apple Computer have 8,000 people employed in Ireland? Why did Apple invest in Ireland instead of more investment into the US?</p><p></p><p>They openly said why. They get a bigger return on their investment, because Ireland taxes are lower. It's that simple!</p><p></p><p>Why do you think so many companies are leaving California?</p><p><a href="https://chiefexecutive.net/business-exodus-california-troubling-sanctuary-policies/" target="_blank">https://chiefexecutive.net/business-exodus-california-troubling-sanctuary-policies/</a></p><p></p><p>What is true of state taxes driving companies to other states, is also true of countries.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andrew77, post: 73290154, member: 406955"] [B]Stolen? Who's face and institutions are depicted on the currency (and where have I heard that before)?[/B] Has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. That's talking about rebelling against the government. No one here is discussing refusing to pay taxes, only the morality of taxes. I know that taxes are theft. I still pay them. I'm not asking you if I should follow the law. We're discussing what the law should be. Keep your red herrings out of the argument. Thanks. By the way... to answer that ignorant question.... it's the faces of the founders of this country which believed that government should be limited, and that income taxes were immoral. Read up on the found fathers, please. [B]In a vacuum; neither. Jobs are created when the employer/company can no longer meet the demand on production, not because they have a little extra cash lying around.[/B] The restaurant down the street, opened up a second location in another part of town. I've talked to the owner. He did that, because he had enough profits to try it. Not because the demand was so unbelievably high, that he had to have a second location. Steve Jobs didn't invest $10 Million dollars into a startup company, because there was so much demand for it. He invested it because he believed the company could create demand for a product they sold. There was zero demand for computer animated movies in 1986. It wasn't until 1995 when Toy Story came out from Pixar, that Steve Jobs investment became a national success. That is how he created jobs, was Steve was willing to take the risk. A risk he couldn't have taken if his money has been taxed away by filthy thieves in government, and their supporters. If the tax-and-spend left-wing had their way with Steve Jobs money, there would never have been a Pixar producing thousands of jobs. [B]Think about it this way: if you’re a CEO and you have difficulty selling your products profitably now, why would lower taxes make you produce more? Even a 0% tax rate is no help if you lack customers.[/B] But you are missing an entire section of the discussion. What is the number one thing you should do as a CEO if you are having a hard time selling your product profitably? Number one thing you should do..... What is it? You invest money into Research and Design, to create a better product... or you invest R&D into improving your current product. And where do you suppose the money comes from, to pay for R&D to make a new product, or improving an existing product? It comes from profits. Even if you say for example, that a CEO might raise the money from investors.... how does the CEO convince investors to fund R&D? Through profits. Can you pay profits taxed away to government, to the investors? No, of course not. Obviously the lower the taxes, the more an investor would be willing to front a troubled company with investment money. Seriously this is very obvious. Why does Apple Computer have 8,000 people employed in Ireland? Why did Apple invest in Ireland instead of more investment into the US? They openly said why. They get a bigger return on their investment, because Ireland taxes are lower. It's that simple! Why do you think so many companies are leaving California? [URL]https://chiefexecutive.net/business-exodus-california-troubling-sanctuary-policies/[/URL] What is true of state taxes driving companies to other states, is also true of countries. [/QUOTE]
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