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Ok, now what is wrong with God putting into place certain laws and penalties for breaking those laws in a nation of people who He desires to be the paradigm of civil, righteous, and just harmonious living?
You missed the point. The point is for a book that claims to be divinely inspired, it would not be unreasonable to expect something unimaginably enlightened.
Instead it's a book with no original ideas that's pretty well in line with a first century take on morality and society.
What's wrong with completely destroying two cities, killing every living thing, human or not in the first case.... and in the second case keeping the virgins for the personal use of the invading soldiers?
Are you serious? What is right about those commands? There's nothing remotely good about ordering the rape and murder of two entire cities!
Death is wise, in the eyes of the Law, for the men of the world.
The whole of the book of proverbs doesn't qualify as enlightened to you? I think you browsed it. I think you browsed it with an undiscerning attitude and you took nothing to heart. Read it again.
The rest of what you wrote is just provocation, and once again, history will prove you wrong.
Moreover, your suggestion that its morality is dated is a sleight of hand, based on a few discrepancies with minority groups of the modern day. Life was simpler in those days and for being simple was closer to being right. I think you will find that history proves even its morality was modern.
Not that I'm defending them entirely, but you're making it sound like Christianity is the only religion with a bloody history.
I think the idea of divine inspiration comes from a believer who writes in good conscience. Thats all.
God caused a couple of bears to tear a group of children limb from limb for the "sin" of making fun of some old guy's bald head.
Death is wise, in the eyes of the Law, for the men of the world.
Ok, now what is wrong with God putting into place certain laws and penalties for breaking those laws in a nation of people who He desires to be the paradigm of civil, righteous, and just harmonious living?
Ok, lets assume your paraphrases are accurate.
What is wrong with those commands?
I've read proverbs, and again, there's no original concepts in there.
I'll grant you it's one of the better books in the Bible [...]
But again, for a couple hundred years B.C. it's not to be unexpected.
For a book written during Old Testament times, it is impressive. Still, none of the good parts were previously unheard of at the time, and the bad parts make it clearly a work of man.
A divinely inspired book would be perfect from a moral sense in any time period, and this book simply isn't.
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Or, and for example, if you mean something like, executions as a common form of punishment is a wise and good thing, because men would otherwise be uncivilized and barbaric, or something like that, well, it's neither useful, in modern times, nor judged by the majority (to the degree you might be suggesting) to be anything less than barbaric itself.
Sometimes it is necessary to stoop to the level of the barbaric, to make the point that the barbaric is not to be accepted.
You are a fool if you think men can be persuaded not to do evil, by mere incarceration.
But... it's wise.
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