Special pleading is only a fallacy when the distinction is made without a good reason, which is what we offer, namely that God exists necessarily, and the universe can not, because it had a beginning.
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Special pleading is only a fallacy when the distinction is made without a good reason, which is what we offer, namely that God exists necessarily, and the universe can not, because it had a beginning.They require the assumption.
Or they require that the universe need an external cause.
Always special pleading is required.
God is argued as a special case in any rule one would like to apply to the universe in order to assert God.
That's why I said that the reasons why I believe are not how I came to believe.I doubt you came to believe because of theistic arguments.
Why aren't there any other Christians participating, on a Christian forum? I mean, I'm fine being shorthanded, this is kind of fun, but c'mon, people!
I guess they're on other forums?I guess they haven't noticed it? Or they think your position is stupid
I guess they're on other forums?
You are assuming materialism, by saying that since something can not be empirically demonstrated, it therefore can never be the most rational conclusion.
Special pleading is only a fallacy when the distinction is made without a good reason, which is what we offer, namely that God exists necessarily, and the universe can not, because it had a beginning.
That's why I said that the reasons why I believe are not how I came to believe.
We have no way of knowing whether or not God or the universe are required necessarily.
For that we would need detailed explanations on the universes supposed beginning that we do not have.
The special pleading is the basic assumption of a specific metaphysics, which is unwarranted.
Translation: stating that in order for the universe to exist there must be a creator is not a proven fact.
An argument is good or bad independently of whether it convinces people or not.If the rational apologetics you speak of mainly only convinces people who already believe to continue to believe then it doesn't escape the geographic issue pointed out earlier.
You are buttressing a position you already held from childhood, not demonstrating it in an objective way.
An argument is good or bad independently of whether it convinces people or not.
An argument is good or bad independently of whether it convinces people or not.
I think "sound" (for deductive arguments) and "cogent" (for inductive arguments) are better words to use.No, the strength of an argument is directly associated with how convincing it is, because that is the purpose of an argument.
If it's a rational argument, it does justify the conclusion. And by the way, this kind of argumentation can be used for all kinds of things; the problem of geography can be used against anything from the heliocentric model, to democracy, to natural rights, to all kinds of things. If you were born in ancient Sparta, you would probably believe that if a child is not good for society, the child should be left to die. If you were born in Soviet Russia, you'd think that communism is better than democracy.Well we can't measure the objective truth of the argument (demonstration problem again).
I am just saying that the problem of geography isn't solved because you can come up with a rational argument that you think justifies the beliefs you held from childhood.
I think "sound" (for deductive arguments) and "cogent" (for inductive arguments) are better words to use.
If it's a rational argument, it does justify the conclusion.
And by the way, this kind of argumentation can be used for all kinds of things; the problem of geography can be used against anything from the heliocentric model, to democracy, to natural rights, to all kinds of things.
If you were born in ancient Sparta, you would probably believe that if a child is not good for society, the child should be left to die. If you were born in Soviet Russia, you'd think that communism is better than democracy.
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