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the Gap Theory and angels...

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the devil was not particularly nice in the garden of Eden - he woz already fallen, but allowed to tempt Eve.

The account is rich in metaphor and simile. That the "shining one" was reduced to a snake after he successfully tempted Eve to sin is a glimpse of what happened to the angels that sinned in the rebellion. Their beautiful bodies were destroyed, along with the earth (Gen 1:2), and they were given bodies of the terrible creatures whose fossil remains are so admired by science to inhabit.
 
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I think that Genesis 3 is more symbolic - snakes do not eat dust - worms eat dust, the serpent was transformed symbolically into a worm, but retains his appearance as an angel. Not sure I agree that the raptor dinosaurs were as you say, but I am open to the idea. The fallen angels might have been exiled to the abyss as spirits.
 
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Jacob's dream of angels ascending and descending a "ladder" to heaven suggests this as well. Jesus' ascent to heaven would necessitate that he "shuffle off this mortal coil" as he became pure spirit upon entering the 'third heaven'; the spiritual dimension. In like manner he would assumed it again upon returning from heaven to the earth.
 
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It seems that God included some of ancient 'monsters' in the newly created earth as he had no intention of removing sin at that time. In fact sin was to be an important tool in perfecting man spiritually and in 'restoring that which was', before the rebellion.

That the earth (it's flora and fauna) were now scaled more appropriately for man is evident in the new creation. It is possible that God recreated the huge redwood trees as evidence of the world that was, whose animals and plants were on a scale much larger than man could have managed (much less survived) especially the animals.

Plant and animal fossils suggest that 'photosynthesis' via sunlight existed in the ancient world. The Genesis account doesn't state that the sun was 'created' on the first day, just that it was 'revealed' as the 'darkness' that covered the earth was removed. Later mentions of the sun and moon regarding their new duties as 'timepieces' don't suggest a recent creation either.

Verse 3 indicates light coming from a single source, as "day" and "night" are defined, night being the opposite side of the earth from the light source, the sun. If the 'light of God' shone all around as some believe there would be no shadow, which is the night.
 
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First in Genesis, one verse 2. The verb "to be" is in the IMPERFECT indicative active third person singular tense.

That means the best literal translation would be. "And the Earth WAS BEING deserted and barren"

Please note also that the words usually translated "formless and void" literally mean BARREN like a DESERT. In other words, uninhabited. So there was no mystery pre, Adamic race or races, populating the planet at that time. It was a barren desert wasteland like Mars.

In his book about "panspermia and why it matters". Noted scholar Michael Heiser. Discusses Genesis one. One of his foot notes. For the Genesis, one discussion. Is an online link to a PDF? Journal article he wrote. Analyzing the Hebrew text of Genesis one verses one through 3.

He convincingly argues that the. Grammar of the Hebrew. Rules out the gap theory interpretation.
 
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Plane reading of the texts. It says that Jesus was bodily. assumed into heaven. Much as Alijah had been bodily assumed into heaven in a fiery tornado. And Enoch had been translated into heaven. As if by some sort of "tractor beam."
 
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Plane reading of the texts. It says that Jesus was bodily. assumed into heaven. Much as Alijah had been bodily assumed into heaven in a fiery tornado. And Enoch had been translated into heaven. As if by some sort of "tractor beam."

"No man has ascended up to heaven except he that came down from heaven." Words of Jesus.
 
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"No man has ascended up to heaven except he that came down from heaven." Words of Jesus.
Yes, of course, and the same passage of Luke says that Jesus will come back just exactly that way, at his second coming.
 
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Yes, of course, and the same passage of Luke says that Jesus will come back just exactly that way, at his second coming.

Specifically,

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
 
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