The Franciscan Thesis

[Akita Suggagaki]

The absolute primacy of the Incarnation is the view that Christ’s Incarnation was planed to occur with or without Adam’s sins and the entire creation was created in view to Christ himself. This contrasts with St. Thomas Aquinas’ view that Christ’s Incarnation was due to the fact that Adam sinned from which is derived the necessary fault sung in the Easter Liturgy.

Vatican II and the Franciscan Thesis

The Franciscan Thesis is that Mary was predestined to be Mother of God in one and the same decree with Christ’s Incarnation and the Absolute Primacy of the Incarnation. The absolute primacy o…

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The Franciscan thesis maintains that the primary motive of the Incarnation is to glorify the triune God in the person of Jesus Christ: though Christ atones for human sins, his coming isn't relative to our need for redemption but rather has an absolute primacy.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-2265.2008.00469.x

 

[chevyontheriver]

The absolute primacy of the Incarnation is the view that Christ’s Incarnation was planed to occur with or without Adam’s sins and the entire creation was created in view to Christ himself. This contrasts with St. Thomas Aquinas’ view that Christ’s Incarnation was due to the fact that Adam sinned from which is derived the necessary fault sung in the Easter Liturgy.

Vatican II and the Franciscan Thesis

The Franciscan Thesis is that Mary was predestined to be Mother of God in one and the same decree with Christ’s Incarnation and the Absolute Primacy of the Incarnation. The absolute primacy o…

defendingvatican2.wordpress.com

The Franciscan thesis maintains that the primary motive of the Incarnation is to glorify the triune God in the person of Jesus Christ: though Christ atones for human sins, his coming isn't relative to our need for redemption but rather has an absolute primacy.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-2265.2008.00469.x

I do like it. However the world we have in front of us is a fallen one so this can be at best a speculation.

 

[Bob Crowley]

The Franciscan thesis maintains that the primary motive of the Incarnation is to glorify the triune God in the person of Jesus Christ: though Christ atones for human sins, his coming isn't relative to our need for redemption but rather has an absolute primacy.

The two go together - God would have foreseen the necessity for the incarnation of Christ due to His foreseeing Adam's fall and our need for redemption.

You could almost argue the necessity for a Trinity for that reason - why "Father", "Son" and "Holy Ghost" unless there was going to be a need for that trinitarian basis? The terms "Father" and "Son" are what might be called human constructs.

We also have the Creed saying the Holy Spirit "proceeds" from the "Father and the Son" - almost as though a third party is required to fulful the plan.

Incidentally when we had the readings during the Saturday vigil, the following phrase was stated twice - "My thoughts are not your thoughts".

For some unknown and as yet unclear reason that particular phrase jumped out at me both times, more so than any other element during the vigil mass.

I don't know in relation to what exactly. I long ago accepted that we're not even in the race when it comes to God's intelligence, but I wondered why God emphasised that phrase to me twice last night, and for what reason?

Time will tell I suppose.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I do like it. However the world we have in front of us is a fallen one so this can be at best a speculation.

They did a lot of that in the middle ages. Are we more pragmatic now? I try to be.

 

[chevyontheriver]

They did a lot of that in the middle ages. Are we more pragmatic now? I try to be.

Speculation is OK as long as it is recognized as nothing more.